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jmwgomz
Housebroken
Joined: 26 Feb 2008
Posts: 78
Location: San Diego, CA
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| wshive wrote: | | Happy to send it. PM me your e-mail. Word of warning though: it's hard to specifically explain how it works unless you understand excel functions. Also, cost plays into the calculations (calories/$), so it affects the final score. |
PM sent. I should be able to figure out what's going on. I work in Excel (A LOT!!!!  ). |
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Rosko
Young Weim
Joined: 27 Sep 2007
Posts: 187
Location: Sandy, Utah
Fur Kids: Rosko, 6 wks old... here Nov9th! (Weim)
Casey, 13yr Black Cat
Mina, 13yr Grey Cat
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Do any of these studies indicate if the puppies had been spay/neuter at any point during the trial?
I ask because it's well documented that spay/neuter prior to the completion of growth plate maturation and bone growth completion has been shown to cause many of the same issues these studies are raising as 'possibles'.
I've often questioned the 'high protein' not for puppies hearsay myself as it does not make any sense really. And, to top that off there are MANY people who feed raw from day one (Anne maybe?) who would be perfect examples of a high protein diet that is actually proving to be extremely beneficial to the puppies/dogs. |
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Trene
Wise Old Weim
Joined: 24 Aug 2007
Posts: 2276
Location: Pennsylvania
Fur Kids: Sky (female)
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| Posted: Tue Sep 02, 2008 1:58 pm Post subject: |
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ROSKO!!!!!!!
sorry so excited to see you buddy. |
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wshive
Puppy
Joined: 01 Jul 2008
Posts: 27
Location: Los Angeles, CA
Fur Kids: Crash, Weimaraner |
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Nothing I've read has ever mentioned when or whether the dogs were spayed/neutered, so I really don't know.
I'm with you in that I don't think protein content is a major issue so long as it's not too low. Protein has the same calories as carbs given the same mass, the only diff is carbs are more easily broken down for energy yet protein has components necessary for growth/repair.
If anything, high protein/low carbs is better than the converse. I think calories are by far the main issue. When people think high protein, they instantly assume it's more calorie rich, which isn't necessarily the case. Even if it were true, the answer is to feed less, not necessarily to avoid the food. |
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anne
Wise Old Weim
Joined: 10 Aug 2005
Posts: 2632
Location: Los Angeles, California
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| Rosko wrote: | | And, to top that off there are MANY people who feed raw from day one (Anne maybe?) who would be perfect examples of a high protein diet that is actually proving to be extremely beneficial to the puppies/dogs. |
My last litter was 3rd generation raw fed. Couldn't be happier with the results. They were weaned to unpasteurized goats milk from my friends "farm" with some tree bark gruel and some probiotics. I added raw ground (with bone) meat to that. They were on their first chicken necks by about 4, 5 weeks, and eating exactly the same diet as my adult dogs by 5, 6 weeks.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_KJ-Nu-6OZY |
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Rosko
Young Weim
Joined: 27 Sep 2007
Posts: 187
Location: Sandy, Utah
Fur Kids: Rosko, 6 wks old... here Nov9th! (Weim)
Casey, 13yr Black Cat
Mina, 13yr Grey Cat
Lucy, 13yr Calico Cat |
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All I could think during that video was...
"num num num... num num num num.. num num num..." |
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