Soo Pissed

ICARUS · Posted: Mon Sep 29, 2008 7:28 am Post subject: Soo Pissed

so I have this rescue weim her name is Mindy. I've had her for some time now. Lets just say she's had a lot of issues. Which obviously you have to take into consideration when rescuing. So I've posted before she has aggression issues and has bitten Icarus and my husband and growls at everyone. She has not really gotten any better though. We're very strict with her and everytime she acts out aggressively my husband will flip her over on her back and make her stay there until she's relaxed. This happens often. When does it get better? Friday night my daughter had a friend sleep over and when they got here Mindy attacked this kid's mother! Bit her twice on the arm left 2 black bite marks and drew blood! It was just insane. Of course my husband leaped across the house and wrestled mindy to the floor and held her there by the neck on her back. At what point do you throw the towel in? I almost did before but decided to stick with it but now, I mean luckily this lady is decent and isn't going to sue us, but she could if she wanted to. WTF!!! Evil or Very Mad

JacksMommy · Posted: Mon Sep 29, 2008 8:03 am Post subject:

I think I would have to throw the towel in at this point. Especially with kids, I'd fear that she would attack my children.

I have to young ones at home and we're adopting a weim right now... and I have to say that was my biggest fear. Jack is a sweetheart and my kids romp around with him with no problems... lol my infant pulls toys right out of his mouth and bops him on the head with them, and Jack just wags his tail LOL...

But, especially with having drawn blood, I would be afraid that now that will be her intent with every bite Sad

scrbear11 · Posted: Mon Sep 29, 2008 9:17 am Post subject:

I think it's time to give up... I may sound cold, and people may jump on me for saying this, but I would probably euthanize her. There are too many good dogs in this world that need help to keep one that is dangerous alive.

The fact that she's old, and she's getting worse- not better- suggests maybe that she's too far gone to rehabilitate.

anne · Posted: Mon Sep 29, 2008 11:36 am Post subject:

Where did you get this dog?

krisnkaipo · Posted: Mon Sep 29, 2008 11:57 am Post subject:

I don't mean to pick on you and think it is wonderful that you are willing and able to foster, but it sounds like your family is not capable of handling this dogs issues.

If this dog is to have any shot she needs to be with someone better able to deal with her. Is there anyone else available that does not have children, that would have experience dealing with a problem dog? It is not fair to your family or the dog to allow her to progressively get worse. She is not learning to change her behavior and is a hazard to your family and friends. Therefore, she is a hazard to herself and her death is imminent.

I have seen a lot of discussion on this forum regarding once they bite they lose their bite inhibition. I understand that. I do not believe that is the case in every dog. I say this because Wilson was a problem dog and people advised me to give up on him. With a lot of help from professionals (multiple), family, and friends we have turned him around. I would NOT have been able to do it if I had children or had not had help. I don't think I would want to go through it again.....I love him and he is wonderful now (quick knock on wood).

Underdonk · Posted: Mon Sep 29, 2008 12:01 pm Post subject:

I'm no expert by any means, but if I were in your shoes, I'd throw in the towel. What you have there is a huge liability, especially with kids (and the kid's friends) around the house.

h20fwlkillr · Posted: Mon Sep 29, 2008 12:13 pm Post subject:

This dog has shown a history of aggression and has bitten. The safe and humane thing would be to euthanize. An aggressive, biting dog is a loaded gun just waiting to go off. Bites are bad enough, but aggressive dogs can kill. IMO the dog doesn't need to go to another home. It will just be passing on a dangerous dog. Very very few can ever be reformed.

ICARUS · Posted: Mon Sep 29, 2008 12:50 pm Post subject:

samckinner · Posted: Mon Sep 29, 2008 12:58 pm Post subject:

You did a good thing. You can't always know that things will turn out the way you want them to. I personally would not keep the dog unless a very very good behaviorist could assure me that it could be turned around. I would be terrified that it would seriously injure someone. Who knows what causes it to bite? Please be careful with yours and other peoples children. People are not very forgiving when it comes to their kids.

Sam and Haus

weimamama · Posted: Mon Sep 29, 2008 1:03 pm Post subject:

Mindy needs an excellent behaviorist/trainer adn a owner who is WILLING to WORK CONSTANTLY with her. It may be best to give her to someone like that if you are not up to this task.
I say that w/ the utmost respect and understanding... my first rescued Weim (my sweet Blue boy) was given up w/ NO sign of issues or bite history. He has 11 bites under his belt. None have drawn blood...and like you, luckily NO ONE has ever thought to sue us. We took him to a behaviorist in NYC who without her guidance and training, he would have had to been euth'd by a different owner. We were NOT going to let that happen. He's come a long way, but we still watch everyone around him coming and going in our home and out. HIS LIFE depends on our vigilance and training.

Is there someone you can seek help from?

highlandscot43 · Posted: Mon Sep 29, 2008 1:18 pm Post subject:

You could try to muzzle her. have her wear it except for her eating and drinking water.
You could also consult a vet about her apparent aggressive behavior. She must have been terribly, terribly abused by her past owners. Somehow she doesn't feel safe or secure, she feel threatened. I don't believe your family has anything to do with her aggressive behavior.But the question is "Why"? and what you can do about it!
If you have the time, money, patience and endurance, keep her, otherwise.......

anne · Posted: Mon Sep 29, 2008 1:23 pm Post subject:

anne · Posted: Mon Sep 29, 2008 1:24 pm Post subject:

Oh almost forgot to say....

Get her thyroid checked before you do anything. And be sure it's a FULL PANEL (not just T4) and have the test sent to Jean Dodds for her to read the results, and send her a history of why you are getting the thyroid checked.

ange165 · Posted: Mon Sep 29, 2008 3:37 pm Post subject:

wow.. that really sucks. I would agree with a majority of people on here and would think if I were in your shoes I would be certainly trying to find someone who would be willing to put time and money into rehabbing this dog or probably euthanize her. Scares me to think that she could bite a child.

Luvweims · Posted: Mon Sep 29, 2008 5:37 pm Post subject:

I don't know how this would work, but could you turn over the dog to a cell dog program? Where inmates work on obedience issues with unwanted dogs? It's better than putting the dog down and maybe the structure of the inmates program is better than a family life for now?

http://www.petfinder.com/shelters/OH168.html