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| What color is you weim? |
| Black |
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0% |
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| Brown |
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6% |
[ 4 ] |
| Blue |
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26% |
[ 16 ] |
| Gray |
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35% |
[ 21 ] |
| Silver |
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31% |
[ 19 ] |
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| Total Votes : 60 |
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momofZaneandWyatt
Champion Weim
Joined: 14 Feb 2008
Posts: 828
Location: Lincoln Nebraska
Fur Kids: Wyatt Earp (Blue Weimaraner)
Maisy (mutt, blue heeler, spaniel mix)
RIP Zane Grey (Silver Weimaraner) 9-2-05 to 7-24-08 |
 Posted: Sat Aug 16, 2008 9:03 am Post subject: |
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| aly wrote: | | momofZaneandWyatt wrote: | | aly wrote: | Here in the UK we call all Weims grey, then we class them according to the shade of grey. My Bailey is very Silver so he is a silver grey, Bo is slightly less silver so would be classed as mouse grey. It is unusual to find a blue weim here although if you check online you can find a few pups (but many more people asking to buy them from America to breed.)
I hope no-one takes this the wrong way as I think your blues are beautiful, but I really wish it would be made impossible for these people to import blues to the UK. The people doing so are advertising them as rare and asking more money, I can see within a few years we are going to have numerous blues in rescue when they are no longer 'rare' and people realise they can't register or show them! |
Our first breeder where we found our boy Zane from, sent one of Zane's blue sisters to England. The pup was here in the US for over I think six months and then sent her over. Her name was Jamie. Then, our breeder from Wyatt sent 5 blues over to Germany for a police station that was going to train them. I guess I just don't see blues being rare.....but when I read about the White weim on here...now that made my eyes pop out...
Your comment about blues being in rescue in a few years because they are can't be registered or showed, did kinda offend me. Maybe you can read on www.bwcoa.com that site will give you a overview of what the blues have accomplished. Neverless, anyone buying a Weim needs to do their homework, and know where and what type of dog they are getting.
A dog is a dog...people who give them up are idiots and should of never brought the pup home in the first place. It makes me sick about the people who bring home the sweet puppy, look at it for a few months and decide...oh well I guess we just did not want that kind of dog, or it looks different now...we want a different type of dog. Those people need to be put in shelters or rescues themselves.
Sorry...just in a bitter mood today...
Shannon, Bill and Wyatt |
Shannon, The reason I said this is simply because people DO get dogs simply because they think they are RARE. When Weims first began to be seen more often in the UK about 15 years ago people went out, bought them, bred them and now we have many weims in rescue because people buy them for their looks...same thing will happen with blues. You can check yourself online, people in the UK requesting them online from American breeders.
You shouldn't be taking offence at me for speaking the truth surely? I find it more offensive that breeders will export/import them when they have history to show exactly what will happen.
In an ideal world every breeder would only sell their dogs to people who knew everything about them and wanted them simply because they love the breed, however we all know that doesn't happen and more and more of our beautiful dogs will end up unwanted. |
The offence was taken at the words that you spoke of "people realize that they can't register or show them" When Wyatt's breeder sent 5 over to a police station for training, to me that is not sending them over just for the hell of it, and not caring where they are going. Here where I live they transport in German Shepards like alot for the law enforcement to train that were not from breeders in the US.
When being on the bwcoa board, if I am wrong, but what are all the title's that certain blue's have earned along side of their name mean? If they are not able to be registered or showed? Does that mean the Blue Weim that has earned those titles is just a hoax? I think not.
Maybe I am just not seeing the whole picture, but when reading about the blues and what they have gone through and the ones who are out there winning titles that proves to me what a blue truely is.
The blue's have been around for along time...they are not a brand new breed of dog. To me its not as if they would be placed in the breeding pool as a labradoodle or the fancy mixed up dogs that people are breeding for looks.
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Eric-n-Jimmy
Young Weim
Joined: 28 Sep 2005
Posts: 131
Location: Baytown, TX (Houston Metro)
Fur Kids: Chelsea & Jackson (Jax)
*KC 04/01-05/05* |
| Posted: Sat Aug 16, 2008 9:39 am Post subject: |
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I believe the largest part of the problem with regards to Blues are the 'puppy millers' and BYB's. They are the ones advertising 'unique & rare' Blue Weims. It is not the reputable, knowledgable breeders creating this problem. Most reputable breeders screen potential buyers, sometimes even require a questionaire. All the others require is a signed check or cash.
I also feel that a lot (not all) of people are very uneducated about the breed. All they 'see' are puppies with sky blue eyes and that look of innocence. They never realize or stop & think that in only (approx.) 6 months they are going to have a 60# Weim. Once they realize that, the 'new' has worn off and it's time to get an ankle biter. Something that isn't going to knock over their toddler, counter surf or require them to put forth any effort or require some obedience training.
Eric
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SparkyTansy
Young Weim
Joined: 07 May 2008
Posts: 230
Location: Australia
Fur Kids: Ariane - Weimaraner 10 months
Spartan - English Setter 5.5y
James - English Setter 2y
Currently living with us:
Sorrell - Weimaraner 3y
Jenny - Greyhound 9y |
| Posted: Mon Aug 18, 2008 2:19 am Post subject: |
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Ari is silver grey. Blue weims are certainly rare in australia. i have never seen one. IMO, there is nothing wrong with the blues the same as there is nothing wrong with white german shepherds... The same as there is nothing wrong with longhair weims.
It is all about where you draw the line... how far back do you need to go before you can say yes, that is purebred.. The history of the blues is a contraversial one... but you would have to question just how contraversial it was to get the "silver/grey" weim we know today.
I do, however, agree with Aly. There is a typical history in Australia (for example) of certain 'fads' of 'breeders' who will see a rare colour (choc labs, blue staffys) or a special characteristic (a bob tail gene in boxers, for example) and the BYB's get wind of it and breed a number of them to sell at inflated prices to unsuspecting people who do NOT research the breed they are buying.
I would be absolutely appalled if someone tried to tell me that their Brown GSP x is a weimaraner. what a very sad state of affairs that is...
The characteristic, regardless of whether it is silver or blue, is the dilute gene... a recessive gene which produces the colour we know and love. Any solid colour IMO is NOT a weim. Our grey/silver weim is a dilute liver and the blue is a dilute black... |
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BluesandBoots
Housebroken
Joined: 02 Jul 2008
Posts: 52
Location: Australia
Fur Kids: Baker - dog
Weimaraner short hair
Show name: Ykarumba Blues and Boots
Eli - dog
Weimaraner long hair
Show name: Silverodhar Escapade |
| Posted: Mon Aug 18, 2008 9:13 am Post subject: |
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I didn't know that the blue coat is a dilute black.
My shorthair is registered as grey and my little guy is registered as silver grey. In photos they both look the same!
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SparkyTansy
Young Weim
Joined: 07 May 2008
Posts: 230
Location: Australia
Fur Kids: Ariane - Weimaraner 10 months
Spartan - English Setter 5.5y
James - English Setter 2y
Currently living with us:
Sorrell - Weimaraner 3y
Jenny - Greyhound 9y |
| Posted: Wed Aug 20, 2008 3:55 am Post subject: |
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I've never been very sure of the difference between grey and silver grey on the registrations... is there a difference?
Ari is registered as silver grey, but she is the same colour as Baker! |
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BluesandBoots
Housebroken
Joined: 02 Jul 2008
Posts: 52
Location: Australia
Fur Kids: Baker - dog
Weimaraner short hair
Show name: Ykarumba Blues and Boots
Eli - dog
Weimaraner long hair
Show name: Silverodhar Escapade |
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| I think there's a slight difference between the two. I got to see two litters of long hair pups in melbourne. All of Eli's litter were silver and the other litter were grey. There was a definite difference of colour. The grey boys looked more blue I thought. |
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