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oregonweim
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 14, 2008 10:36 am    Post subject: Could someone please explain why the AKC does not Reply with quote

recognize the Long Hair and Blue varieties of the weim? I am not sure if it is a weim club thing or akc issue. Everytime we see 45 'color' versions of cockers and spaniels and what not my wife and I wonder the same thing.
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DanniGirl
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 14, 2008 10:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The blue coat was accepted standard before 1972 but....Anne is a pro at this. Visit her website, it explains everything! Wink

Here is a quote from her blue weimaraner website,

"By 1951 the WCA was distracted by another coat variety controversy, whether to accept the Longhaired Weimaraner. Emphasis was placed on the recessive inheritance as being the major reason for seeking disqualification (Wood). Attempts to change the standard to disqualify the Longhair were made in the early 50’s, with the Blue Weimaraner riding on the coat strings of the Longhair issue. The reason offered for seeking disqualification of the Blues was that the gray shade was preferred and that the acceptable Weimaraner color should be of a narrow range and not to include Blue (Wood). Though the WCA’s reasoning for disqualifying the Blues had nothing to do with the mode of inheritance (dominant), somehow around this time, perhaps solely to do with timing, blue was erroneously characterized as a recessive trait. And even though the AKC rejected the WCA’s attempt to disqualify the Longhairs and Blues (See proposed 1952 revision), both were subsequently classified as a very serious fault in the approved 1953 standard. The 1953 standard reads, “Any long-haired coat or coat darker than mouse-gray to silver-gray is considered a most undesirable recessive trait."...

A letter from the German Klub regarding the Blue Weimaraner - PDF was published in the April 1971 issue of The Weimaraner Magazine, along with an English translation of the letter. Read by the entire membership, this translated letter was probably one of the most influential pieces of “op ed” that the magazine published. Unfortunately, the English translation of the letter was highly biased and slanted towards the WCA’s desire to disqualify the Blues.


Anne Taguchi
The Blue Weimaraner Website;
http://www.blueweimaraner.com/history.html
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anne
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 14, 2008 1:22 pm    Post subject: Re: Could someone please explain why the AKC does not Reply with quote

oregonweim wrote:
recognize the Long Hair and Blue varieties of the weim? I am not sure if it is a weim club thing or akc issue. Everytime we see 45 'color' versions of cockers and spaniels and what not my wife and I wonder the same thing.


It's not an AKC thing. The WCA is the one that writes and/or changes the standard. Through many votes and lots of controversy and infighting in the club disqualified the Longhair and Blue coat in 1971. Took them 20 years to do it and with significant pressure from the WCA. There are those that feel that the WCA put undue pressure on its own membership to sway votes and this is documented on my website. Altho it's not an AKC issue to change standards, they can reject a parent club's change, and indeed AKC did just that when the WCA tried to disqualify the Blues.

In my opinion, a variety status would probably go through and would have gone through in the past but the AKC will no longer allow varieties. The cockers and others ruined it for us!! LOL
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 17, 2008 8:46 pm    Post subject: Re: Could someone please explain why the AKC does not Reply with quote

anne wrote:
oregonweim wrote:
recognize the Long Hair and Blue varieties of the weim? I am not sure if it is a weim club thing or akc issue. Everytime we see 45 'color' versions of cockers and spaniels and what not my wife and I wonder the same thing.


It's not an AKC thing. The WCA is the one that writes and/or changes the standard. Through many votes and lots of controversy and infighting in the club disqualified the Longhair and Blue coat in 1971. Took them 20 years to do it and with significant pressure from the WCA. There are those that feel that the WCA put undue pressure on its own membership to sway votes and this is documented on my website. Altho it's not an AKC issue to change standards, they can reject a parent club's change, and indeed AKC did just that when the WCA tried to disqualify the Blues.

In my opinion, a variety status would probably go through and would have gone through in the past but the AKC will no longer allow varieties. The cockers and others ruined it for us!! LOL


Is it not true that (at least long haired varieties) may be shown at internatinoal dog show competitions?
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anne
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 19, 2008 1:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes that is true. Blues are also shown in IABCA.
LH's are allowed in every country except the US.
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oregonweim
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 19, 2008 10:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

anne wrote:
Yes that is true. Blues are also shown in IABCA.
LH's are allowed in every country except the US.


I'm moving to Canada
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 20, 2008 1:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

LOL! Laughing
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 20, 2008 8:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

oregonweim wrote:
anne wrote:
Yes that is true. Blues are also shown in IABCA.
LH's are allowed in every country except the US.


I'm moving to Canada


In Canada, you can show them but in confirmation it is still considered a very serious fault the same as a blue.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 20, 2008 2:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

peppernaei wrote:

In Canada, you can show them but in confirmation it is still considered a very serious fault the same as a blue.


This changed last summer and they are now allowed to show. US is the only country that does not allow LHs
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 20, 2008 2:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

anne wrote:
This changed last summer and they are now allowed to show. US is the only country that does not allow LHs


I stand corrected. The WAC and CKC should get with it then 'cause they both have it listed as a very serious fault and the WAC site discourages showing them with "Thus, you can show them in Conformation shows (though you will be wasting your money since judges shouldn’t be giving ribbons to dogs with very serious faults)".
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 21, 2008 1:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think the Blues are absolutely beautiful.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 23, 2008 5:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

AWWWW My baby has many faults but none of them are his long hair ! Rolling Eyes I luffs him anyways!! Laughing
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 25, 2008 1:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's such a shame - the longhairs and blues are both gorgeous...
LH's are becoming even more popular now at Australian shows. Ari's breeder also sent over two LH's to Canada last year and one of them was the first LH to obtain a title!!
I wonder, if the blues were allowed to be shown, would they be shown with the Weimaraners or as a separate variety (like the LH)
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 08, 2008 4:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've shown against a few LH and the sad thing is that they weren't very nice looking Weims.

I was sad at the quality of the LH that I have seen at the shows. Now mind you I have only seen 3, but they did leave a bad impression in my head. I found that they didn't have nice feet (too splayed and loose)
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 08, 2008 7:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

SparkyTansy wrote:

LH's are becoming even more popular now at Australian shows. Ari's breeder also sent over two LH's to Canada last year and one of them was the first LH to obtain a title!!
I wonder, if the blues were allowed to be shown, would they be shown with the Weimaraners or as a separate variety (like the LH)


Yes those 2 LH girl shave done very well in their limited showing. One just made another history and is the first LH girl to win a group placement. she was group 4th this past weekend. She is alovely girl and we are very happy to have her here over in Canada. Hope she can bring some of that wonderful Austrailian lines to our gene pool. she is a stunning example of the LH weim

Right now we have to show the LH and SH weims together. But hey at least the LH can be shown now. The judges are doing really well at giving them a fair chance now. Hope we can only move forward from here!!!!
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