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wildlifecr13
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 24, 2008 11:49 am    Post subject: Canidae Prices - Online Reply with quote

ok, ive shopped everywhere online to check on canidae prices. i get the all life stages, i try to buy 80 lbs at a time.
here is what i have found...
All prices include shipping. Price per pound given, along with # of bags it takes to get that price. I checked from 1-3 bags to see where the best price was at each.
Waggin Tails - $1.51 (2 @ 35)
Discount Pet Meds - $1.36 (1 @ 40)
Dog Explorer - $1.33 (3 @ 40)
Pet Food Direct - $1.23 (1 @ 40)
Animal World Network - $1.49 (2 @ 40)
Hearty Pet - $1.36 (1 @ 35, with 5% off coupon they give everyone)
Only Natural Pet - $1.78 (2 @ 35)

Pet Food Direct is the best price I have found so far, and it seems like buying 1 bag is the best price (although if 2 or 3 didnt change the price, then I just put 1 as the default, so those who like to buy it weekly know how low they can go Smile

The best price I have found locally, $44.83 for 40 lbs, with tax, or $1.12. Pet Food Direct is crazy close to that, and if Im ever too busy to make it to my usual spot (5 min out of my way from work) then I know I have a plan B.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 24, 2008 11:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Where do you buy it from in town? We have found it pretty cheap at Anderson's, though I can't remember the exact price right now.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 24, 2008 12:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Are you aware that Canidae recently changed their ingredients, shrank their bag sizes, and now has their products manufactured by Diamond, a company whose products killed many dogs with aflatoxin poisoning in late 2005? I used to feed Canidae, but will no longer do so with all the changes, especially the fact that it is now being manufactured by Diamond.

Also, FYI, there are a lot of reports on the internet of dogs having major stomach upsets, esp diarrhea, on the new formulas.

Here is info on the formula changes from this website:
http://www.dogfoodproject.com/

Upcoming changes to Canidae formulations
Admin | June 30, 2008 3:56 pm
I wanted to give a heads up to dog owners feeding Canidae products about a few details that the makers of this product aren't telling you in their sales pitch for their changed formulas:

Under the new formulation, Canidae dry foods will no longer be gluten free, due to the addition of barley. If you know that your dog is gluten intolerant, start shopping around for a different food.

Even if your dog doesn't have problems with gluten (not all do, and many foods do contain high-gluten grains like barley), the change in formulation to include rice bran and peas may contribute to gas and digestive upset. Dogs who aren't particularly sensitive may not have any problems at all, others will get over it within a few days of transitioning, but again, for individuals with a delicate digestive system, expect that they may no longer tolerate the product.

Millet is generally well tolerated, but again, it doesn't work for every dog.

"Diversifying" ingredients may sound catchy, and Canidae certainly has made an effort to put a positive spin on it in their statement, but please remember that not all dogs do well on foods that include a wide variety of items.

Also note that "Herring Meal" will be replaced by generic "Ocean Fish Meal", meaning the company reserves the possibility to use different fish from batch to batch without having to change the ingredient list. This has not been addressed in their statement at all.

Whether these changes are indeed an improvement, as Canidae claims, is for you to decide - after observing how it affects your dog.

Canidae All Lifestages
Old Formula: http://canidae.com/dogs/all_life_stages/dry.html
New Formula: http://canidae.com/dogs/all_life_stages/dry2.html

Canidae Platinum
Old Formula: http://canidae.com/dogs/platinum/dry.html
New Formula: http://canidae.com/dogs/platinum/dry2.html

Canidae Chicken & Rice
(Note that after the change it's no longer going to be a true "Chicken and Rice" formula, but instead a "Chicken, Rice, Barley and Peas" formula)
Old Formula: http://canidae.com/dogs/chicken-and-rice/dry.html
New Formula: http://canidae.com/dogs/chicken-and-rice/dry2.html

Canidae Lamb & Rice
New Formula: http://canidae.com/dogs/lamb-and-rice/dry.html
The old formula has already been overwritten. "Lamb and Rice" formula will now also be a misnomer - even though it's legal as far as labeling regulations go. This is the current ingredient list:


Lamb Meal, Brown Rice, Canola Oil (preserved with Mixed Tocopherols), Flax Seed, Sun cured Alfalfa Meal, Sunflower Oil, Lamb, Lecithin, Potassium Chloride, Choline Chloride, Linoleic Acid, Rosemary Extract, Sage Extract, Dried Enterococcus Faecium Fermentation Product, Dried Lactobacillus Acidophilus Fermentation Product, Dried Aspergillus Oryzae Fermentation Extract, Dried Bacillus Subtilis Fermentation Extract, Inulin (from Chicory Root), Saccharomyces Cerevisiae Fermentation Solubles, L-Lysine, Taurine, Yucca Schidigera Extract, Mixed Tocopherols (source of Vitamin E), Zinc Amino Acid Chelate, Manganese Amino Acid Chelate, Iron Amino Acid Chelate, Copper Amino Acid Chelate, Cobalt Amino Acid Chelate, Vitamin A Supplement, Vitamin D3 Supplement, Ascorbic Acid (source of Vitamin C), Niacin, Thiamine Mononitrate (Vitamin B1), Riboflavin (source of Vitamin B2), Beta Carotene, Calcium Pantothenate, Pyridoxine Hydrochloride (Vitamin B6), Calcium Iodate, Folic Acid, D-Biotin, Organic Selenium, Dried Papaya, Dried Pineapple, Vitamin B12 Supplement
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wildlifecr13
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 24, 2008 12:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

sweet feed seems to do well.
i didnt know andersons had it... if their price is better... off i go.
sweet feed is ok, but its a pain in the neck to cross the bridge to get there.
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wildlifecr13
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 24, 2008 12:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

sundown.... what have you switched to?
i have always liked canidae, but i have heard a lot of rumblings lately about the changes they have made.
i am watching my girls to see if i notice any changes in them... esp with a new bag (bought today).
i did notice the price jump. jerks.
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wildlifecr13
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 24, 2008 12:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

complete domination of the thread is mine!!!

saw this on the website for canidae:
Worldwide shortages and the rising prices of many food commodities, especially rice, are affecting people and industries around the globe. Reducing the consumption of U.S. grown rice used to make our premium all natural dry formulas, while at the same time improving on the nutritional benefits, taste and palatability of the formulas themselves, will contribute to reducing pressures being put on worldwide rice supplies and U.S. exports – U.S. exports that are used in many foreign countries around the world to feed the hungry and less fortunate.

At CANIDAE, we believe we are doing our small part in helping to alleviate these current pressures and demands on worldwide food supplies, including the U.S. rice used in making our products. We have improved our formulations, adding more meat proteins and diversifying the complex carbohydrates, without compromising on the nutritional value or benefits.

I do find it confusing how they are trying to help the hungry, but at the same time, they have increased the amount of meat... we all know that veggies take less energy/food to produce than wheat, and if we all went veggie, we would have more food. this is creative writing at its finest.

also saw this...
Does CANIDAE add Gluten to any of their products?

Absolutely not. Glutens are a special protein naturally occurring in many carbohydrates, the most commonly used and of highest concern wheat. Glutens can also be processed out of carbohydrates yielding a high protein ingredient. So in this aspect CANIDAE is Gluten Free.


I love the "So in this aspect"... they are not saying it is 100% Gluten Free, just that it is, "in this aspect". Bonus points for that one. hmmm.....
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 24, 2008 1:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

wildlifecr13 wrote:
complete domination of the thread is mine!!!

saw this on the website for canidae:
Worldwide shortages and the rising prices of many food commodities, especially rice, are affecting people and industries around the globe. Reducing the consumption of U.S. grown rice used to make our premium all natural dry formulas, while at the same time improving on the nutritional benefits, taste and palatability of the formulas themselves, will contribute to reducing pressures being put on worldwide rice supplies and U.S. exports – U.S. exports that are used in many foreign countries around the world to feed the hungry and less fortunate.

At CANIDAE, we believe we are doing our small part in helping to alleviate these current pressures and demands on worldwide food supplies, including the U.S. rice used in making our products. We have improved our formulations, adding more meat proteins and diversifying the complex carbohydrates, without compromising on the nutritional value or benefits.

I do find it confusing how they are trying to help the hungry, but at the same time, they have increased the amount of meat... we all know that veggies take less energy/food to produce than wheat, and if we all went veggie, we would have more food. this is creative writing at its finest.

also saw this...
Does CANIDAE add Gluten to any of their products?

Absolutely not. Glutens are a special protein naturally occurring in many carbohydrates, the most commonly used and of highest concern wheat. Glutens can also be processed out of carbohydrates yielding a high protein ingredient. So in this aspect CANIDAE is Gluten Free.


I love the "So in this aspect"... they are not saying it is 100% Gluten Free, just that it is, "in this aspect". Bonus points for that one. hmmm.....


Yeah, it is a joke that they are trying to make all these changes out to be for such noble reasons, when in fact their bottom line is the deciding factor. Based on what I have been reading on my dog groups, and across the internet, Canidae is losing customers in droves because of these changes. Whether or not it is enough to have any real impact on them remains to be seen.

And here is the email they sent in response to questions about them now outsourcing to Diamond:

Due to overwhelming customer support and increased demand on our products, we have been faced with unique production capacity challenges. Our growing customer support and demand has pushed for increased capacity, therefore we have outsourced additional production from Diamond Pet Foods. Our customers demand and deserve no less than the highest quality safe ingredients, as well as state of the art consistent manufacturing. Outsourcing additional production from Diamond comes not without first carefully instating and accepting only the strictest testing protocols, as well as mandating stringent operating procedures to ensure the highest quality products possible at every level of production. We are very happy with this relationship and the high quality formulations we are able to bring to you.

Expect Excellence!
Sincerely,
Team Canidae


The reality is that their huge increase in demand was mainly due to the fact that during the recalls, they were one of the very few companies that never had any recalls. And their foods were NOT manufactured in any plant that was affected by the recalls. So now, they go ahead and outsource to Diamond, whose products killed many dogs with mold contaminated food!!! Evil or Very Mad Evil or Very Mad

Here is a link to details about the Diamond nightmare:
Diamond Pet Foods Agrees To $3.1 Million Settlement
http://www.consumeraffairs.com/news04/2008/01/pet_food_recalls86.html
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 24, 2008 1:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

wildlifecr13 wrote:
sundown.... what have you switched to?
i have always liked canidae, but i have heard a lot of rumblings lately about the changes they have made.
i am watching my girls to see if i notice any changes in them... esp with a new bag (bought today).
i did notice the price jump. jerks.


I switched to Evo, which my girls are doing really well on. No grains at all. Gracie's coat is much shinier than it has been on any other premium food I have ever used during her 7 year lifetime, and there have been several.

I do hear, though, that Evo is apparently too rich for some dogs. There really is no "one best" food for every dog. It is all about what your dog does well on, that you can be comfortable feeding them. Unfortunately for me, Canidae is no longer something I can be comfortable feeding. And to think I used to drive as much as 50 miles to buy Canidae!!Rolling Eyes I can get Evo 5 miles from me.

Another food that is supposed to be really good is Orijen. Also a grain free food, but not as rich as Evo. I hear raves about it. My Gracie's breeder, who is a top show breeder, uses it. But it is not readily available near where I live, so I have not tried it. It is made in Canada.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 24, 2008 1:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

When I have gone all the way to Sweet Feed after calling to make sure they had it they didn't even have it so I stick to Andersons. We bought a bag of canidae on July 4 and haven't noticed a difference yet in Mischa.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 24, 2008 2:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Has anyone noticed anything different in their kids that are using Canidae. Don't you think that it is kinda scary.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 24, 2008 2:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

After reading about Canidae changing we made the switch to EVO too. My girl has really bad allergies not to food but environmental but we figured the grain free would be good for her. We are on our first bag and she does have some bad gas as does our other dog. So, if this doesn't work out then we'll try to find something else. It may just be too rich for them but I won't be feeding Canidae, I just don't feel comfortable doing it either.

Christie
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 24, 2008 3:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Champ is on the Large breed Adult Formula from Innova and loves it.
We cant get Canidae here, but the place I buy the Innova from also
sells California Natural.

The snack biscuits that Innova makes, Champ cannot get enough of
them. When I opened the bag, the smelled so good, I wanted to
eat one!

I pay $46.00 for a 33 lb bag. His coat is soft and shiny, and his
amounts of poop piles has gone down. (YEA)

Tammy Flower
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wildlifecr13
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 24, 2008 4:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

we feed the california naturals health bars as treats. the girls LOVE them.

i grabbed 2 bags of canidae today, they are the old ingredients list, so im assuming they are from BEFORE the switch.

although, this may be the last of our canidae purchases...
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 24, 2008 5:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

wildlifecr13 wrote:
we feed the california naturals health bars as treats. the girls LOVE them.

i grabbed 2 bags of canidae today, they are the old ingredients list, so im assuming they are from BEFORE the switch.

although, this may be the last of our canidae purchases...


The new bags don't have the fancy easy-open thingy in the top corner... believe it or not, besides the smaller bag, new formula and higher price - that actually irritated me the most! Evil or Very Mad
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 24, 2008 5:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just bought Jag another bag the other day and went to look at the ingredients just now and he still has the old formula food. I will not buy any more of the canidae. We will be switching to something else as well as the cats, they are eating felidae.I don't like that they changed it and I don't like the sound of the Diamond company that is making it.
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