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anne
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 02, 2008 1:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes they can eat them but it's more dangerous IMO than other bones. You may also find bone fragements in their poop, watch for it. If you do, it's probably too hard. I do know people that give weight bearing bones with no problem. It's beyond my personal comfort level. You might want to consider grinding if you want to feed them and worried about choking.
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weimdawgs
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 02, 2008 1:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I only ever give them wings and necks with bones. We are going to get a grinder...eventually.
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iris
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 02, 2008 1:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

versatilek9s wrote:
We made "the switch" about 10 days ago. Even though they ate innova, I've been shocked with the difference!

I just did it--one day kibble, the next day raw. Maya was a bit unsure about whether she should really put that nasty chicken thigh in her mouth. The Sage swallowed hers, and still hasn't really gotten that chewing thing down.

We did chicken mostly for about a week. They had loose poos for about a day, then tiny normal ones. I then added in turkey necks, eggs, salmon, and beef as the second meal. So they eat chicken usually in the am and whatever I can find in the pm. I know it's not necessary, but for the sake of cheapness they get cottage cheese, some veggies, and yogurt a few times a week.

In the fall they're gonna get duck, geese and deer added!

Other things I noticed were that they were a bit sluggish for a few days--someone told me it was b/c they had to get used to digesting the food that's lower in carbs. Also they seemed hungrier--like maybe they thought they got a treat but their kibble was still due.

Good luck! They love it!

meredith

I have been looking for dear meat for a long time, where do you get it from?
Also my problem is that Rocky will not eat any organs, if he even smells the smallest drop of it he walks away and he can go days without eating!
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versatilek9s
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 03, 2008 12:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

iris wrote:

I have been looking for dear meat for a long time, where do you get it from?
Also my problem is that Rocky will not eat any organs, if he even smells the smallest drop of it he walks away and he can go days without eating!


Ah, we shoot them of course! Very Happy I'd say find a friend who hunts deer and hit them up for pieces and whatnots. Very Happy

Sage also doesn't like organs. And eggshells are another thing I've found that she isn't a fan of. If I cook it she likes it better--might just be the texture she doesn't like.

meredith
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weim2mom
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 03, 2008 7:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I used a pair of shears last night and cut up the bones, they ate them no sweat. I put a bi of liver in theirs, and they love it!
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iris
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 03, 2008 8:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

versatilek9s wrote:
iris wrote:

I have been looking for dear meat for a long time, where do you get it from?
Also my problem is that Rocky will not eat any organs, if he even smells the smallest drop of it he walks away and he can go days without eating!


Ah, we shoot them of course! Very Happy I'd say find a friend who hunts deer and hit them up for pieces and whatnots. Very Happy

Sage also doesn't like organs. And eggshells are another thing I've found that she isn't a fan of. If I cook it she likes it better--might just be the texture she doesn't like.

meredith

LOL, could not have said it better! Yeah we are new to the area and i am having a problem finding smo that hunts so I can buy the whole deer from them.
Its so funny that you mentioned egg shell. I am having the same problem as well. He not only does not want the organs but he as well will not eat the egg shell. Once in a while though he decides he will eat a tiny bit of it. I will try cooking the organs and see if he will eat them.
Thank you for the advise.
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iris
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 03, 2008 8:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

weim2mom wrote:
I used a pair of shears last night and cut up the bones, they ate them no sweat. I put a bi of liver in theirs, and they love it!

That's great! I think eventually they will get used to chewing the bones better.
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weim2mom
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 12, 2008 9:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Question about raw -

Do you guys cut up the meat? Or do you just toss it in the bowl? With some things I am cutting it up. But with the turkey necks, I hold it, and let them munch on it... Hemi just gulps it down.
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 12, 2008 1:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Chicken necks, turkey necks and turkey hearts I don't cut, but gizzards and turkey tails and anything that I think is a little too big, I do.

I'm not trying to frighten you, but Nena had a situation a couple years ago with a turkey tail...she got tired of chewing it and then I decided that
I should probably get it out of her mouth to cut it up...well, she swallowed it! WHOLE! Shocked Shocked

She wasn't choking, but it was lodged and I had to give her the dog version of the Heimlich Maneuver! It did come out, but my husband was having a fit, yelling "why can't we feed normal dog food????" Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes
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weim2mom
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 13, 2008 12:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

NenaGunther wrote:

She wasn't choking, but it was lodged and I had to give her the dog version of the Heimlich Maneuver! It did come out, but my husband was having a fit, yelling "why can't we feed normal dog food????" Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes


Are you sure you weren't at my house last night? We had the exact same conversation. I was holding the turkey necks as they chomped away, and Hemi went after the whole thing (my hand included). He didn't mean to hurt me, he just took it too far. I yelled, Hemi jumped, and Joey said the same thing.

I got the "You are so strange. Who feeds raw?" speech. I told him to do the research then get back to me. Wink

I just have to seriously supervise them.
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iris
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 14, 2008 9:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I had the same issue with Mali, it lasted a while actually, but now when i get tired of freezing Rocky's food or just feel like complaining i tell him "i think i am going to get a bag a kibble and feed it to him", Mali gets upset because he likes it so much now that Rocky is on raw. Its made a huge difference on his health, for the better!
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sherry
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 25, 2008 6:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ten days ago we switched Jag to raw.We started out using ground chicken,now everything is whole.He loves it! I puree raw vegetables to add to his food and he still gets yogart and some fruit as a snack. Jags favorite new snack is chicken feet.

I am already starting to see the difference in Jag since switching. His teeth are so white and no more gas(none). Jag used to gulp his kibble down now he actually enjoys his food and takes his time eating.He has lost a little bit of weight so I guess we will have to up the amount we are feeding him. I am so glad that I got up the courage to switch to raw. So far things are great.
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sherry
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 26, 2008 5:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I read that you are suppose to give vitamin E with fish oil,does anyone do that?
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NenaGunther
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 26, 2008 9:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

sherry wrote:
I read that you are suppose to give vitamin E with fish oil,does anyone do that?


I give Salmon oil.
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Rosko
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 02, 2008 1:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

During Rosko's back issues when he wouldn't eat anything we decided to try some raw samples we had from Love Your Pet up in Park City near us...

Well, he ate the Elk and Venison no problem... even in his lethargic condition and his poop _immediately_ went from runny to solid again.

Since then we have had him on a Innova Large Breed Adult and Love Your Pet raw diet (he gets 1/3 lb Elk or Venison with 3/4'ish of Innova three times a day... and he's still thin and in shape!).

The price we pay is quite a bit less than if we actually tried to do it ourselves (per lb) and it costs less than all other raw food we've seen on the market; however, I think the Love Your Pet guys have us on special pricing so I probably shouldn't say it here Wink

Either way, they are making another batch this weekend so we will be adding Buffalo and Turkey to his mix. Everything they do is 100% organic farm raised stuff and it does have some veggies and stuff ground up in it. They give us turkey necks and Elk 'knees' and such as bones for him also. He is supposed to have one day a week where he gets a bone substituted for a meal twice that day to 'clear things out' as well as the other benefits. He loves the bones. Only issue we've had with them was actually with the first turkey neck... Seems he didn't chew it enough and ended up throwing up some chunkage later on that day. I guess it cleared him out! Never had a problem with the knee joints, etc., though.

For those asking about where to get Venison:

www.loveyourpetbakery.com

That's their website; however, it's not working lately. I think they are doing a new one or something. If you google Love Your Pet Park City it will give you all the contact info.

They are actually starting to sell their raw food in Wholefoods grocery stores now. Seems they have become quite popular. The raw they do is actually done to extreme specifications and they personally supervise at the plant where they make it (instead of just trusting them to do it right) to ensure it's quality. It's flash frozen below zero degrees to kill any bad things in it (and, yes, unless you kill it yourself any meat you get anywhere has, at one time or another, most likely been frozen... FDA suggests two weeks for human consumption. I believe Love Your Pet told me they go a month 'for good measure').

No one has said anything to us about feeding the kibble and raw together having issues. Not our holistic vet or the Love Your Pet people and they all know we do it. Rosko's poops are rocks and super regular (can set a clock to them really). *shrug*
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