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iris Champion Weim

Joined: 19 Nov 2007 Posts: 982
Fur Kids: Rocky, Weimaraner |
Posted: Wed Jun 18, 2008 10:17 am Post subject: |
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Hi all,
I wish i had pictures to show you guys but we have the same exact problem. Its driving me crazy and the vet has no clue other than suggesting to give Rocky benadryl. The benadrly has done absolutely nothing for him though! He does scratch these sometimes and the scab over. He is on a raw diet and at fist i was blaming it on the food but now i am not so sure its the chicken, or the lamb, or whatever meat he is eating. He as well has them on his belly and these just started in the last week or so. The bumps on his back, neck and even face, have hair missing and i have even seen a couple bleed. He did not have these in the winter so i am thinking it has to do with either grass chemicals they use or some seasonal allergy. I have been thinking about taking him in and get the allergy skin tests done so at least i know for sure what it is that causing these freaking thing to appear. |
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Schatze Adult Weim

Joined: 16 Jan 2008 Posts: 286 Location: NC
Fur Kids: Schatze, Blue Weim |
Posted: Wed Jun 18, 2008 10:18 am Post subject: |
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I REFUSE to use Prednisone and would not advise it for any reason. My last baby was a german shepherd/rott mix. I lived in a small town and only had 2 vets to choose from. This was 10 years ago and I wasnt as smart as i am today.
She had a few itchy patchy and dry spots so the vet said she had allergies and put her on prednisone for the rest of her life. I asked several times if that was ok and they assured me that a low dose would be fine. She gained a lot of weight and just appeared to be declining so 3 years later I took her off prednisone and started a weight loss program.
To make a long story short- she was diagnosed with cancer a few years later. I did everything in the world I could to save her. I spent over 5000 on chemo and treatments but she still passed away September 07. It almost killed me! I will always believe that the prednisone had everything to do with that. |
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iris Champion Weim

Joined: 19 Nov 2007 Posts: 982
Fur Kids: Rocky, Weimaraner |
Posted: Wed Jun 18, 2008 10:45 am Post subject: |
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Look at this post, Rocky is getting them underneath his neck just like that as well!
http://www.weimaraneraddict.com/discussion/banshee-s-neck-vt8871.html
I think both posts are about the same issue. Man this truly sucks and i have no idea still what to do. He was on antibiotics a few weeks ago, they went away and then started again. Sorry forgot to mention that earlier. |
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weim2mom Wise Old Weim

Joined: 16 Jan 2008 Posts: 1284 Location: Anne Arundel County, MD
Fur Kids: Chevy and Hemi, both Weimaraners |
Posted: Wed Jun 18, 2008 12:40 pm Post subject: |
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So, $200 later, and still covered in bumps.
The vet says that it is some sort of grass allergy, as those pollen are out right now. She does look better this morning though.
I was given antibiotics, a hydrocortizone/steroid conditioner for her skin and was told to stick with the Benadryl, for now.
The next option is to get allergy shots for her, which I really don't want to do. They don't seem to be bothering her much, they just look quite terrible. I am going to try these steps, and see if she gets better.
Oh - by the way - the antibiotic was $87!! I almost keeled over!
I also had her thyroid checked while I was in there - as she keeps gaining weight. She is porky, and gets enough exercise and doesn't over eat. I measure out her food (2 cups daily) as per the vet. She is 67lbs, and should be around 57.
I have to bring in a urine sample tomorrow too, as Chevy's incontinence is getting worse. She had three accident last week, two last night. I woke up soaking wet again, but oh well. The vet thinks she has a UTI.
Had Hemi's anals cleaned too, phew he stunk!
All in all, a busy vet visit. I walk in there, and they know her by name. We go too often.  |
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weimdogmom Champion Weim

Joined: 11 Feb 2008 Posts: 680
Fur Kids: Jazz, terrier mix
Mayu, weim |
Posted: Wed Jun 18, 2008 2:08 pm Post subject: |
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About the allergy shots: They do not work for every dog, and the dogs the shots work for it varies how much they really help. And, it can take several months before you would be able to tell the difference. If Chevy's itchiness seems to be managed enough to keep her at least fairly comfortable, I would wait on the shots, too.
I think one big key is keeping ahead of the symptoms... rinsing off after being outside, wiping her down to help get pollen off, bathing, good quality food, etc.
Does the Benadryl make her groggy? And she has been on it now recently? I wonder if that could have something to do with her incontinence? Has she been on any other medication recently?
Jazz is a little heavy for her frame, too. I wondered about a thyroid condition, but had a test (probably there is more than one type, we just did one though) and it came back OK. Maybe that has something to do with the allergies and medications, too? |
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Banshee13 Champion Weim

Joined: 21 Jan 2008 Posts: 605 Location: Berywn Heights, MD
Fur Kids: Banshee-female weim, 14 months
Ranger-neutered black lab mix, 11 months
Scout-male mountain view cur, 7 months
Kali-spayed female rottie/dobie mix, 12 yrs.
PLUS: 4 cats, 4 cockatiels, and a ferret! Any questions??!! |
Posted: Wed Jun 18, 2008 8:41 pm Post subject: |
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| iris wrote: | Look at this post, Rocky is getting them underneath his neck just like that as well!
http://www.weimaraneraddict.com/discussion/banshee-s-neck-vt8871.html
I think both posts are about the same issue. Man this truly sucks and i have no idea still what to do. He was on antibiotics a few weeks ago, they went away and then started again. Sorry forgot to mention that earlier. |
Yes, Iris, that's mine. They are gone now, but as I mentioned in that post, I tried so many different things, I'm not quite sure what actually cleared it up! I think it was the vitamine E oil, but I can't be sure. Could also have been just TIME...or the antibiotics that I swore didn't do a THING! Anyway, it took a few weeks of her looking awful, but she's finally looking normal again.
BTW--Banshee is on the heavy side as well. We get quite a bit of exercise, and three weeks ago I cut down her food portions to only 2-3 cups per day. She doesn't look like she's lost any weight and she's been swimming too, which is great exercise. I hope she doesn't take after ME!!
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iris Champion Weim

Joined: 19 Nov 2007 Posts: 982
Fur Kids: Rocky, Weimaraner |
Posted: Thu Jun 19, 2008 10:18 am Post subject: |
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Yeah, we dont have any weight issues, if anything he is too thin.
Maybe i will try the Vitamin E. Was this smth you rubbed on their skin? Other then that i am thinking of giving those allergy pills smo posted the link to on the fist page. I got home yesterday and his back looked even worse. |
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weim2mom Wise Old Weim

Joined: 16 Jan 2008 Posts: 1284 Location: Anne Arundel County, MD
Fur Kids: Chevy and Hemi, both Weimaraners |
Posted: Thu Jun 19, 2008 1:59 pm Post subject: |
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| Banshee13 wrote: |
BTW--Banshee is on the heavy side as well. We get quite a bit of exercise, and three weeks ago I cut down her food portions to only 2-3 cups per day. She doesn't look like she's lost any weight and she's been swimming too, which is great exercise. I hope she doesn't take after ME!!
Peri |
I feel the same way. My husband and I are the poster children for allergies, and now Chevy has them, then she started gaining weight - something I've battled for years. I truly feel that she was sent to me for a reason!
Anyway - thyroid test came back normal. I have till tomorrow for the urinalysis results.
The bump look better, but are still there. If they aren't better in the morning, the vet is going to give me a stronger antihistamine.
Taking all the advice, I am more hesitant about prednisone - but is it bad to take even if it is short term? |
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weimdogmom Champion Weim

Joined: 11 Feb 2008 Posts: 680
Fur Kids: Jazz, terrier mix
Mayu, weim |
Posted: Thu Jun 19, 2008 2:47 pm Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | Taking all the advice, I am more hesitant about prednisone - but is it bad to take even if it is short term? |
Jazz has been on prednisone, short term, a few times. It's not that I like giving it to her, but sometimes it is the only thing that would help. When she is so red and itchy and miserable... The vet we see much of the time says it's not much of an issue with short term use. (But -- I think anything can be an issue... ) The other vet in the practice doesn't feel it's a huge issue, but said when it comes down to it -- if it is an issue of a few months or a much better quality of life while she is here... that's how to decide.
Prednisone can a life saver. Jazz's itching leads to skin infections which would be awful without it. We have a cat with IBD, she throws up blood and pees blood with it flares up. She can't eat -- to the point of anorexia. Prednisone brings her out of that.
It's interesting though. A couple of years ago, we had to wean them back off the pred. Now they are on it for maybe a week and then off. Maybe some weaning, but not the same amount of time as before.
Now I worry about the allergy shots we give her... but she does so much better with them and is so much happier. How could I deny that to her?
So... it's an issue to think about and decide what will work best for you and Chevy. |
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peppernaei Wise Old Weim

Joined: 26 Aug 2007 Posts: 1231 Location: southern ontario
Fur Kids: marvin - weimaraner - 1 year
zaphod - shih tzu cross - 15 years |
Posted: Thu Jun 19, 2008 3:29 pm Post subject: |
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| weim2mom wrote: | | Taking all the advice, I am more hesitant about prednisone - but is it bad to take even if it is short term? |
I just wanted to mention the issues with prednisone because from your comment about asking the vet for some I was unsure if you knew of the associated issues over the long-term since seasonal (or unknown) allergies can be a long-term condition. As I said, it can work wonders but it is not without risk. You need to make an informed decision about what is right for Chevy. Personally, if I decided to use prednisone, I would ensure to limit the dosage and frequency as much as possible and the length of treatment. Also, be mindful of not vaccinating during treatment with live viruses and not giving aspirin (there are many other drug/herb interactions but I am unsure of the canine list). And don't be surprised by a lack of weight loss or increased gain while on the drug.
| weimdogmom wrote: | | It's interesting though. A couple of years ago, we had to wean them back off the pred. Now they are on it for maybe a week and then off. Maybe some weaning, but not the same amount of time as before. |
This issue has come up a few times over the years and I think the conscience is that certain dosages and time periods should be weaned off due to the body's decreased production of natural steroids while on prednisone.
I hope all the pups issues are resolved!!  |
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Welches Adult Weim

Joined: 06 Jan 2008 Posts: 492 Location: Houston, Texas
Fur Kids: Yukon - Weimaraner, male
Spike - Yorkie, male
Lexi - Weimaraner, female |
Posted: Thu Jun 19, 2008 3:52 pm Post subject: |
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I just wanted to let you guys know that Yukon has sensitive skin too and after switching his food, he rarely has any problems and hasn't had to take Benadryl for I don't know how long. The food we switched to is California Natural because it is specially formulated for dogs with skin sensitivities. It has the least number of ingredients of any dog food with one protein, one fat and one carb and it's hypoallergenic. It might not be for everyone but it's worked wonders for Yukon.
http://www.naturapet.com/brands/california-natural.asp |
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weimdogmom Champion Weim

Joined: 11 Feb 2008 Posts: 680
Fur Kids: Jazz, terrier mix
Mayu, weim |
Posted: Thu Jun 19, 2008 4:28 pm Post subject: |
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Oh... and our vet always reminds us when they are on prednisone:
"Drink more. Pee more."
So if Chevy is having a problem with incontinence, this may be more of a problem. |
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Idaviruma Adult Weim

Joined: 27 Mar 2007 Posts: 395 Location: NC
Fur Kids: Uno- blue weimaraner |
Posted: Thu Jun 19, 2008 5:07 pm Post subject: |
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| Schatze-where in NC do you live? |
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weim2mom Wise Old Weim

Joined: 16 Jan 2008 Posts: 1284 Location: Anne Arundel County, MD
Fur Kids: Chevy and Hemi, both Weimaraners |
Posted: Thu Jun 19, 2008 7:57 pm Post subject: |
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| weimdogmom wrote: |
So if Chevy is having a problem with incontinence, this may be more of a problem. |
..that's why I am so hesitant. I know it helped last year around this time. But, the conditioner seems to be working (knock on wood)... |
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weim2mom Wise Old Weim

Joined: 16 Jan 2008 Posts: 1284 Location: Anne Arundel County, MD
Fur Kids: Chevy and Hemi, both Weimaraners |
Posted: Fri Jun 20, 2008 8:58 pm Post subject: |
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So, the urinalysis came back perfectly normal. I am confused as to what could be causing this.
Like I said, it's kind of random, and she only does it while sleeping (on the couch), never on her bed or in her crate. She goes in spurts. One week, she can have 3 accidents, then no more for several weeks.
Any thoughts? |
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