HELP!!!!!!!!!

brinriha · Posted: Sun Jun 08, 2008 9:10 pm Post subject: HELP!!!!!!!!!

HELP WE CAN'T TAKE THIS ANY MORE. WRIGLEY IS 7 MONTHS OLD WE TAKE HER OUT SO MANY TIMES DURING THE DAY AND SHE STILL PEES AND CRAPS IN THE HOUSE WE CAN'T THIS IS ANY MORE WE ARE TO THE POINT OF GETTING RID OF HER.

jaspersfam416 · Posted: Sun Jun 08, 2008 9:13 pm Post subject:

Is she free feeding or do you have set feeding times?

brinriha · Posted: Sun Jun 08, 2008 9:15 pm Post subject:

We have set feeding times she only gets two blows a day and we watch her water intake.

jaspersfam416 · Posted: Sun Jun 08, 2008 9:16 pm Post subject:

Is she crated? Have you had her since she was a pup?

ange165 · Posted: Sun Jun 08, 2008 9:33 pm Post subject:

What do you do with her after she has peed or pooped in the house?
You have to watch puppies like hawks. Many time they will have signs that they about to do their business - start sniffing and circling.
Maybe when you are home you can attach wrigley with her lead to you so that you know where she is at all times (people do this with new puppies to bond as well)
what sort of an area do you have outside as well??? is there much grass?

BEANSnBERRY · Posted: Sun Jun 08, 2008 10:07 pm Post subject:

Where did you get her from and have you had her checked to see if she has any medical concerns that could be causing this.

Is her poo firm, or is it diarrhea?

brinriha · Posted: Sun Jun 08, 2008 10:34 pm Post subject:

Yes we have a crate for her. The way i taught her to tell us that she had to go outside was every time she not her leash and went to the door we would take her out. The signs that she gives us is her jumping on us and barking and whimpering. Now she usually does this but lately she will just go after we feed her we wait about 15 min. to a half hour sometimes sooner.

josh · Posted: Sun Jun 08, 2008 10:59 pm Post subject:

Feeding stimulates the bowels and it is always a good idea to take her out immediately following a meal. If they don't go right after a meal, keep them out there, and play fetch or some other physical activity and that will usually help motivate them to do their business.

Our Izzy had a bladder infection and caused her to pee, all the time, if there is a foul odor when she urinates you may want to get it checked out.

What food are you using?

SparkyTansy · Posted: Sun Jun 08, 2008 11:10 pm Post subject:

[quote="josh"]Feeding stimulates the bowels and it is always a good idea to take her out immediately following a meal. If they don't go right after a meal, keep them out there, and play fetch or some other physical activity and that will usually help motivate them to do their business.
quote]

I wouldn't recommend that you have her do any physical activity immediately after eating due to the possibility of bloat...

I would recommend taking her to the vet if you haven't already to see if she has some other concern there that is making her toilet more often. At her age she should be in control.
If there is nothing healthwise that is a concern, I would consult a behaviourist before considering rehoming her... perhaps she needs a different approach?
What is the exact routine that you do with her? Do you wait for her to alert you now, or do you still take her out after certain events? (Eating, playing, drinking etc)

brinriha · Posted: Sun Jun 08, 2008 11:21 pm Post subject:

Sometimes i wait for her to worn me but most of the time i just taker her out. we had her check out and she is as healthy as can be we got her at 3 months old i love her to death but i just cant take this problem we are having with her. she is trained in everything else same with going out side it like once she is done she just goes and when she does i grab her by her scruff and say no and take her out side and tell her she has to go potty out side. and she is on Nutro puppy for large breed dogs we have tried her on other stuff but this stuff has worked wonders for her when we got her she was very very under weight and this dog food put all of the weight one that she didnt have before.

ange165 · Posted: Sun Jun 08, 2008 11:38 pm Post subject:

SparkyTansy's right.. don't exercise after eating because it risks bloat, and you should also look into a behaviourist before rehoming. I know your saying your taking her out all the time but it sounds like it isn't enough for her. She's only learning. When to potty:
After eating/drinking
After sleeping
After playing
Take them outside, use a cue word "wee wee" "potty" "quick" whatever works for you. Once they do reward like crazy.
If you don't notice the cues that they are about to relieve themselves and they go on your carpet:
If you see them - startle them loudly and clap. Immediately take them outside to the area you want. Wait a moment then reward them outside.
If you don't see them - clean it up thoroughly. I use white vinegar on our carpets to carbolize the smell. You can't punish the dog for a crime they committed ten minutes earlier - they don't associate the punishment for then.
As for pooing - dogs I've known only tend to poo after eating. Ruby has a strict poo schedule. One in the morning and one at night. Shortly after eating.

DoubleTrouble · Posted: Mon Jun 09, 2008 12:09 am Post subject:

Josie had a hard time with remembering to go outside only. I'd got her on a schedule-- Once in the morning, once in the afternoon, once in the evening, once before bed. If she doesn't go at one of those times, it is crated until I can take her out again. Unless I know she didn't eat/drink since she was last out. Since we have been on a schedule, we haven't had any accidents. I also always tell her "good dog" when she goes outside.

greydogs · Posted: Mon Jun 09, 2008 3:20 am Post subject:

we adopted lakshmi as a 5 year old, and i was quite surprised when she had various accidents in the house. with her it had mostly to do with not wanting to get her feet wet. and we live in oregon, so it rains a lot. she would go out and run back without doing anything.
watching her like a hawk, and lots of rewards for business done worked like a charm.
if i found something, i would just clean it up without saying anything.

it really worked to be patient.
good luck with wrigly.
could she be stressed????

SparkyTansy · Posted: Mon Jun 09, 2008 4:03 am Post subject:

There is obviously something that is not happening there for her...
all dogs are different, and even the most experienced owners can have difficulty with teaching a dog something, because they are all different...
Does she go on Carpet only? Do you have grass or paving/concrete outside for her to go on? Maybe she doesn't like the hard surfaces?
When she does do her business outside, do you reward her like crazy? Does she respond to praise only or would it pay to use food rewards as an extra incentive?
Go back to basics... start again with a whole new strategy if you have to...

Do's
-Take her out as regularly as you are able
-wait for her to go when you are out there, do not talk to her except to say her key word (wees/toilet)

Don'ts
- Don't play with her, ignore her if she tries to play... she is out there for one thing only and you need to make that clear... I know people that have waited outside for 1/2 hour before just so they can praise them for going...
- don't scold for any accident she has done in the house that you haven't seen... they don't remember what they did 5 minutes ago, and despite what some people think, they react to your reaction (ie anger) not what they did 5 minutes ago

My ES James was very hard to toilet train... he went literally every 5-10 minutes... after trying my usual way, I went right to basics of the above... took him out as often as he was going, didn't talk to him until he went, used a keyword and then praised like crazy including a food reward, as praise alone just wasnt enough...

Some dogs do take longer than others... however if you are so willing to give up on her because she takes a little longer to learn, perhaps you are better off rehoming her to someone that has the time and patience to let it all click for her.

peppernaei · Posted: Mon Jun 09, 2008 6:02 am Post subject:

You have gotten some great comments but I wanted to stress what DoubleTrouble said. If she doesn't go when you take her out she has to go in the crate. Then take her back out in a little while and try again. Don't let her free in the house without 100% supervision and unless you are sure she is empty.

Some dogs take longer than others and some need to go through the whole training process again.

Good luck.