Breeding my Weim Goto page Previous  1, 2, 3, 4  Next          Weimaraner Addict Forum Index -> General Weim Discussion Author Message foosdog Puppy Joined: 31 Mar 2008 Posts: 31 Fur Kids: Maggie Blue female Ruger Silver grey Male Posted: Fri May 09, 2008 7:57 am    Post subject: Show only? If a person is breeding for show only IMHO they are doing a great disservice to the breed! They were originally bred to be versatile hunting companions not just pranced around a show ring! To much show for the Grey ghost is what almost (and many consider have) ruined the breed. I looked long and hard to find our Weims that can and do hunt well and look like a Weim! Back to top Welches Adult Weim Joined: 06 Jan 2008 Posts: 492 Location: Houston, Texas Fur Kids: Yukon - Weimaraner, male Spike - Yorkie, male Lexi - Weimaraner, female Posted: Fri May 09, 2008 8:11 am    Post subject: Foosdog - I love the name Ruger! I wanted to name our youngest that, but since she was a female my husband didn't think it fit her. I thought it was a great name for a hunting dog! So now we have Yukon and Lexi Back to top foosdog Puppy Joined: 31 Mar 2008 Posts: 31 Fur Kids: Maggie Blue female Ruger Silver grey Male Posted: Fri May 09, 2008 12:20 pm    Post subject: Welches My wife deserves the credit for Ruger. I think my dogs are most happy when they are hunting! Hunting even trumps the next best thing they love-the couch! I see you have a Silver Grey and a Blue also, nice looking pups. They look so much like my two that could be one of my pictures. Back to top Welches Adult Weim Joined: 06 Jan 2008 Posts: 492 Location: Houston, Texas Fur Kids: Yukon - Weimaraner, male Spike - Yorkie, male Lexi - Weimaraner, female Posted: Fri May 09, 2008 12:31 pm    Post subject: Thanks! Yep, there is nothing better than getting them in the field. Lexi is still pretty young, but Yukon is a pro. One hour working a field for quail and he's tired for days! Let him run 10 miles and he doesn't even break a sweat Back to top DanniGirl Champion Weim Joined: 01 Mar 2007 Posts: 831 Location: Flagstaff, AZ Fur Kids: FM Blue Weim- "Danni" Posted: Fri May 09, 2008 1:01 pm    Post subject: Welches wrote: Thanks! Yep, there is nothing better than getting them in the field. One hour working a field for quail and he's tired for days! Let him run 10 miles and he doesn't even break a sweat LOL! Danni's the same way...she'll go for hours after quail and she'll be exhausted the next day. They certainly put their "all" into the hunt. Welches, I love that picture! It reminds me of a picture of Leslie Like's weimaraners in France. Is Lexi the blue? Back to top DanniGirl Champion Weim Joined: 01 Mar 2007 Posts: 831 Location: Flagstaff, AZ Fur Kids: FM Blue Weim- "Danni" Posted: Fri May 09, 2008 1:11 pm    Post subject: Re: Show only? foosdog wrote: If a person is breeding for show only IMHO they are doing a great disservice to the breed! They were originally bred to be versatile hunting companions not just pranced around a show ring! To much show for the Grey ghost is what almost (and many consider have) ruined the breed. I looked long and hard to find our Weims that can and do hunt well and look like a Weim! I agree with you...the showring has really tainted the breed. That's why DCs are so rare...I think there are only 12 in the breed. It's a shame... I think the show standard calls for deeper chested and other attributes that hinder the weim's performance in the field. I could be wrong as I have a blue (and obviously don't show) but I remember one remark going so far as saying weims needed to have larger nostrils... There are few breeds in NAVHDA that the breeders have kept from registering with the AKC just for that reason. They don't want the breed ruined due to show. I think one breed is the Small Munsterlander. They are under the AKC FSS program but they are not eligible for AKC registration. Last edited by DanniGirl on Fri May 09, 2008 1:17 pm; edited 1 time in total Back to top Welches Adult Weim Joined: 06 Jan 2008 Posts: 492 Location: Houston, Texas Fur Kids: Yukon - Weimaraner, male Spike - Yorkie, male Lexi - Weimaraner, female Posted: Fri May 09, 2008 1:12 pm    Post subject: DanniGirl wrote: I love that picture! It reminds me of a picture of Leslie Like's weimaraners in France. Is Lexi the blue? Thanks! Yep, Lexi is the blue. She's 10 months old. I have some more pics of them in the gallery that I just added. Danni is gorgeous. I was on the site last night and my husband (who's never been on here) walked by and your signature was up on a thread and he said wow, that's a good looking dog Last edited by Welches on Fri May 09, 2008 1:14 pm; edited 1 time in total Back to top h20fwlkillr Adult Weim Joined: 19 Dec 2006 Posts: 480 Location: Holden, Mo. Posted: Fri May 09, 2008 1:14 pm    Post subject: Quote: Even the best buyers can have problems a couple years down the road from buying a puppy....like say having a kids. So many people get rid of their dogs for that reason alone...among other things. One who gives up a pup due to having children isn't a "best buyer". While good screening of potential new owners isn't always foolproof, it does let a breeder know with 99% certainty that they are in it for a lifetime commitment. I wonder how many pups bought under contract that are unwanted actually make it back to the breeder. I would have to guess that the percentage is pretty small. Quote: Comparing dogs and cars is a bit odd to me...if you kill your car buy not changing the oil thats you own fault...if you don't care for a dog by not feeding him (especially if it's a dog that I bred) I'd like to have a say in that dogs situation. Like it or not, pets are property. The analogy fits. Why should one have a say in a dog they sold? When sold it is no longer theirs. What one person may think is better for a dog, may not be what another thinks. IMO this potentially could mean that every pup bought under contract could be repossessed just because the breeder didn't like something. If a breeder sees that a dog is being abused or neglected, they should call their local humane society and have them investigated. If the dog is seized, the breeder could then adopt it back. Quote: Co-owning a dog is your personal choice... It wouldn't make sense if your dog was just a pet. I'm having a very positive experience with it thus far. I'm glad you are having positive experience. I hope it continues. I was co-owner of a couple redbones a few years back. It was one of the biggest mistakes I've made. Never again. Quote: And I thought contracts (especially among reputable breeders) were very common place these days. While there are quite a few "reputable" breeders that operate under contract, there are just as many or more mills that do. They want the pups back to sell again, or use for breeders. Back to top joe2mill Young Weim Joined: 07 Jan 2008 Posts: 182 Location: Rock Valley IA Fur Kids: Gauge, Weimeraner Turbo, Chihuahua Posted: Fri May 09, 2008 1:15 pm    Post subject: Re: Show only? DanniGirl wrote: foosdog wrote: If a person is breeding for show only IMHO they are doing a great disservice to the breed! They were originally bred to be versatile hunting companions not just pranced around a show ring! To much show for the Grey ghost is what almost (and many consider have) ruined the breed. I looked long and hard to find our Weims that can and do hunt well and look like a Weim! I agree with you...the showring has really tainted the breed. That's why DCs are so rare...I think there are only 12 in the breed. It's a shame... I think the show standard calls for deeper chested and other attributes that hinder the weim's performance in the field. I could be wrong as I have a blue (and obviously don't show) but I remember one remark going so far as saying weims needed to have larger nostrils... There are few breeds in NAVHDA that the breeders have kept from registering with the AKC just for that reason. They don't want the breed ruined due to show. Just sad I think... p.s. i also have a blue so i don't show but it's sad to see the breed getting picked apart. Back to top momofZaneandWyatt Champion Weim Joined: 14 Feb 2008 Posts: 818 Location: Lincoln Nebraska Fur Kids: Wyatt Earp (Blue Weimaraner) Maisy (mutt, blue heeler, spaniel mix) RIP Zane Grey (Silver Weimaraner) 9-2-05 to 7-24-08 Posted: Fri May 09, 2008 1:22 pm    Post subject: Dannigirl~ Love that picture of Danni.... We have a 6 month old blue Wyatt, and a 2 year old sliver Zane... We have noticed that Wyatt is really starting to stalk the birds, rabbits and squirrels in the back yard. Do you have any good advice for taking them out to the fields and starting to let them start to do field training? When would be the right time, or is it already to late to start? I would really like to introduce both our boys, but we are not really into the hunting part, but would like the boys to enjoy what they were put on earth to do in the field. Shannon, Bill, Zane and Wyatt Back to top DanniGirl Champion Weim Joined: 01 Mar 2007 Posts: 831 Location: Flagstaff, AZ Fur Kids: FM Blue Weim- "Danni" Posted: Fri May 09, 2008 1:22 pm    Post subject: Re: Show only? joe2mill wrote: Just sad I think... p.s. i also have a blue so i don't show but it's sad to see the breed getting picked apart. I know...unfortunately there are show weims and field weims. And most show weims very seldom hunt...people are forgetting why they were originally bred. Back to top h20fwlkillr Adult Weim Joined: 19 Dec 2006 Posts: 480 Location: Holden, Mo. Posted: Fri May 09, 2008 1:23 pm    Post subject: Quote: the showring has really tainted the breed It is not just weims. Have you seen the EP's? Gordon setters are getting the same way as well as labs and most other sporting breeds. The judges have let form and function drift apart, when they go hand in hand. In some breeds it has gone extreme. Back to top anne Wise Old Weim Joined: 10 Aug 2005 Posts: 2619 Location: Los Angeles, California Posted: Fri May 09, 2008 4:25 pm    Post subject: Quote: That's why DCs are so rare...I think there are only 12 in the breed. It's a shame... Diesel just finished, there are now 13 that are alive now. (There are more total.) Quote: I remember one remark going so far as saying weims needed to have larger nostrils... Ugh don't get me started with that "interpretation." Geesh. Quote: It is not just weims. Have you seen the EP's? Gordon setters are getting the same way as well as labs and most other sporting breeds. The judges have let form and function drift apart, when they go hand in hand. In some breeds it has gone extreme. The problem with Weims is that they are so pretty. Gordons and IS's, the hairy breeds that are so flashy in the show ring also have big problems like Weims. That's why I like the Brittany standard, they specifically say that the dog shouldn't have excessive coat. They are doing pretty good at keeping show and field together. I've seen some pretty bad AKC EP's in the field, but at least with EP's you just have to go with an AF dog, bred for performance. Back to top youhavenoidea Wise Old Weim Joined: 27 Jan 2008 Posts: 1922 Location: Simcoe, Ontario, Canada Fur Kids: Slade - Weimaraner Posted: Fri May 09, 2008 11:45 pm    Post subject: Re: Show only? DanniGirl wrote: joe2mill wrote: Just sad I think... p.s. i also have a blue so i don't show but it's sad to see the breed getting picked apart. I know...unfortunately there are show weims and field weims. And most show weims very seldom hunt...people are forgetting why they were originally bred. I see nothing wrong with / have great respect for, a dog that can do both. Even though I never plan to hunt (I'm TERRIFIED of guns), I looked for a breeder whose line emphasized both show-ring success, as well as hunting capability - I wanted to see versatility. My pup's dam is titled in conformation, and got her NSD the first time she tried for it, as well as hunting with her "dad" for fun. Other dogs in the line have had marked success in both as well. I believe there is a happy medium. It doesn't have to be an elitist "one or the other" school of thought from either camp. Back to top DanniGirl Champion Weim Joined: 01 Mar 2007 Posts: 831 Location: Flagstaff, AZ Fur Kids: FM Blue Weim- "Danni" Posted: Sat May 10, 2008 2:01 am    Post subject: anne wrote: Diesel just finished, there are now 13 that are alive now. (There are more total.) Nice! anne wrote: I remember one remark going so far as saying weims needed to have larger nostrils... Ugh don't get me started with that "interpretation." Geesh. LOL! I knew you'd know what I was referring too... Don't get me wrong youhavenoidea (lol...that sounds funny) I believe proper conformation is a necessary for a weim to work well, but IMO I think the AKC has taken the show standard to the extreme. youhavenoidea wrote: I see nothing wrong with / have great respect for, a dog that can do both. ...I wanted to see versatility. I believe there is a happy medium. It doesn't have to be an elitist "one or the other" school of thought from either camp. As do I...it's just that you don't see them that often. Only 13 DC's alive says it all...IMO, there is already a division in the breed. Back to top Display posts from previous: All Posts1 Day7 Days2 Weeks1 Month3 Months6 Months1 Year Oldest FirstNewest First         Weimaraner Addict Forum Index -> General Weim Discussion All times are GMT - 5 Hours Goto page Previous  1, 2, 3, 4  Next Page 3 of 4   Powered by phpBB © 2001, 2005 phpBB Group phpBB SEO