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DanniGirl
Champion Weim
Joined: 01 Mar 2007
Posts: 810
Location: Flagstaff, AZ
Fur Kids: FM Blue Weim- "Danni" |
 Posted: Thu May 08, 2008 12:39 am Post subject: |
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| h20fwlkillr wrote: |
At 7 months, I would have never used an e-collar. Dog was just a pup. Getting a 7 mo to cooperate is like trying to get a teenager to. IMO it sounds like he was pushing the dog too fast to conform to what an adult would be. |
The funny thing is, I've run into those individuals A LOT in NAVHDA. Why is everyone so anxious to get an e-collar?! 
I think you hit the nail on the head, "sounds like he was pushing the dog too fast to conform to what an adult would be"...they just don't have patience.
| h20fwlkillr wrote: | | Sounds like the dog was confused. Probably was over-corrected while on birds. ( primary cause of blinking) He probably needs to stop field training, go back to yard work until the dog understands and then resume light training in the field. Then he needs to wear the e-collar in the field and every time he thinks he needs to correct the dog, hit himself with the collar. |
LMAO! 
LOL, yeah...'cuz his dog is the one with the problem, not the owner...right?
| h20fwlkillr wrote: | | He said the dog didn't have the capacity to learn. E-collar wouldn't cure the problem no matter how many times he lit him up like a light bulb. ( you know the shock into submission route) He decided to use more drastic measures. He decided to burn his dog with birdshot every time he ate a cripple. That dog was a FAST learner. He learned exactly how far the range was on his gun in just one hunt and would lay just outside of range and look straight at him while he ate the birds. He got lucky. That dog had no side effects from his heavy handed tactics other than the increased instances of eating cripples. Looking back, I think it was his dogs way of flipping him the finger. |
ROFLMAO! OMG! I think I would have a heart-attack if I saw that in person! That was the dog's way of getting back, that's some personality.
I have agree with you about dogs shutting off though. Most are eager to please and since they don't get shocked when they are right by the boss, that's the best place to be.
I haven't seen that person since March so it should be interesting if he shows up again on a training day. He's an idiot, (well naive is a better word)...BUT I do feel bad for his dogs.
IF he ever speaks about his dogs again I'll speak up and tell him how it is. |
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h20fwlkillr
Adult Weim
Joined: 19 Dec 2006
Posts: 404
Location: Holden, Mo.
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| Posted: Thu May 08, 2008 1:18 am Post subject: |
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| Quote: | The funny thing is, I've run into those individuals A LOT in NAVHDA. Why is everyone so anxious to get an e-collar?!
I think you hit the nail on the head, "sounds like he was pushing the dog too fast to conform to what an adult would be"...they just don't have patience.
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Everyone wants everything right now. Gun dogs are like a fine wine, they get better with age. Push the process too fast and all you have is expensive crap. E-collars can be an invaluable tool in the RIGHT circumstances and the right hands, but unfortunately, people think they are like the fast forward button on the dvd remote. "If I use this, I can cut out all this other time consuming training and have an instant field champ." Well, that may not be exactly what they are think, but it appears that way. A good relationship with a dog is the best tool a trainer/ handler can have. I think that if more people would slow down and get in tune w/ their dogs, you would see a lot less e-collars and frustrated owners/dogs. |
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