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gailmetz Housebroken

Joined: 27 Feb 2008 Posts: 73
Fur Kids: sammy, orange boy kitty
maxwell, orange boy kitty
gracy mae, grey girl
thumby, 6 toed beast cat |
Posted: Thu Mar 06, 2008 2:08 pm Post subject: |
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| Exactly my point, if no-one breeds...responsibly or not, would there come a point in time that there would be no more weimaraners (good or bad). Breeding dogs is not for everyone. Their are many people who would not even consider it. But who is it that is saying that being a backyard breeder is such a negative thing???Education, responsiblity and caring are what you would expect from a reputable breeder..backyard or huge kennel. |
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kamfam Wise Old Weim

Joined: 29 Aug 2007 Posts: 2260 Location: Cleveland, OH
Fur Kids: Glacier, Samoyed
Darby, Weimaraner
Kam, Weimaraner
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Posted: Thu Mar 06, 2008 2:20 pm Post subject: |
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The term "Back Yard Breeder" is someone who is in it purely for the money. They have no regard for improving the breed and looking out for the welfare of the offspring. A "reputable" breeder does NOT have to have some huge kennel. In fact, most of those breeders with huge kennels that produce several litters a year are normally NOT reputable breeders.
I just think that anyone who starts out by saying that their girl is great and she'd have great pups, or how much you think I could make here, should NOT breed---their intentions are obvious.
JMHO |
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gailmetz Housebroken

Joined: 27 Feb 2008 Posts: 73
Fur Kids: sammy, orange boy kitty
maxwell, orange boy kitty
gracy mae, grey girl
thumby, 6 toed beast cat |
Posted: Thu Mar 06, 2008 2:38 pm Post subject: |
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| I totally agree. Money has never been a factor in this process, because I would undoubtedly spend more than I would ever make( if I ever did decide to do it). I've bred horses before, and know quit well the expense and responsibility that undertaking was. |
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sterlingsmom Champion Weim

Joined: 13 May 2007 Posts: 935 Location: Tampa, Florida
Fur Kids: Two Weimaraners (Sterling and Colt)
Appendix Quarter Horse (Pride) |
Posted: Wed May 07, 2008 12:53 pm Post subject: Re: Breeding my Weim |
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| gailmetz wrote: | | I had so much grief from some close family relatives about breeding my girl Gracie Mae. From the moment I thought about getting one, I knew I would breed her, if she turned out to be the best representation of the breed. I am not a gringo when it comes to breeding in general, having owned and bred Arabian horses for several years. I feel Weim's are very much like the Arabian horse, down to the high tail set, and regal elegance. Anyway, they believed I should have rescued one instead of bought one. Don't get me wrong, I have adopted many dogs, cats, etc.in the past, however, this time I really had a plan...Was I wrong? Are there really so many unwanted Weim's out there? I am feeling guilty..Any thoughts? |
Breeding and finding homes for a litter of puppies is NOTHING like breeding horses, and the fact that you are comparing the two of them is just crazy in my opinion
Just my two cents (free country, right?)
Oh, and yes. There REALLY are that many weims in rescue. I have one of them. He was skinny as a rail with mange and sick as could be...I am SO happy that I rescued him and subsequently had he and my female fixed. |
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Cathy Champion Weim

Joined: 14 Aug 2007 Posts: 844 Location: Pickerington, Ohio
Fur Kids: Marley-Moonshine, Weimaraner
Trance, Tuxedo Kitty
Echo and Pulse, Kitties |
Posted: Wed May 07, 2008 1:13 pm Post subject: |
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I think Marley is the greatest too. She is unbelievably smart and gorgeous. She is not aggressive at all and loves everyone. I couldn't ask for a better dog. The problem is I haven't been around that many other Weims. She could be bottom of the barrel for all I know. She has no titles-she's just my dog.
My point is that we all love our dogs tremendously, but it's about doing what is right for the breed, and unless a dog has an impressive pedigree and merits of his/her own, there really isn't a reason to breed that isn't selfish. Even if it's just because you enjoy doing it, it's not necessary to bring more dogs into the world when so many don't have homes.
It chokes me up to look on petfinder and see dozens of Weims that need homes, and I can't help them. And if one person decides not to breed, there is a chance that a few more of those dogs will find homes that would have otherwise taken puppies. |
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iris Wise Old Weim

Joined: 19 Nov 2007 Posts: 1047
Fur Kids: Rocky, Weimaraner |
Posted: Wed May 07, 2008 1:29 pm Post subject: |
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Cathy i agree completely! I feel the same way.....it just breaks my heart.
This is just one of the weim rescue organizations in my area:
http://www.dcweimclub.org/rescue/
Just look at all the weims that need homes........, and trust me when i say that this is not the only weim rescue in the area..... |
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Welches Adult Weim

Joined: 06 Jan 2008 Posts: 495 Location: Houston, Texas
Fur Kids: Yukon - Weimaraner, male
Spike - Yorkie, male
Lexi - Weimaraner, female
Koya - Weim mix, male |
Posted: Wed May 07, 2008 1:34 pm Post subject: |
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I have to agree with everyone on here. There are way TOO many weims that need rescued. Even if you want a puppy, you can find one in a rescue. We rescued our sweet blue girl when she was 10 weeks old. She went into rescue at 3 days old.
I also know that there are reputable breeders out there that I would buy from because they are established, knowledgeable and responsible. If you, for whatever reason, don't want a rescue, go to a reputable breeder. Don't start breeding your own just because you can. |
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joe2mill Young Weim

Joined: 07 Jan 2008 Posts: 189 Location: Rock Valley IA
Fur Kids: Gauge, Weimeraner
Turbo, Chihuahua |
Posted: Wed May 07, 2008 1:51 pm Post subject: |
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I agree with everyone here, I (in a sence) rescued Gauge because he was the last of his litter and the breeder was going to put him down if no body took him because his testicles didn't drop. To me this isn't a proper way of breeding or proper ethics. Not to say that you would ever put a pup down but it's just the thought that no body would take him because everyone that wanted a pup wanted one with working parts. This to me signifies that most of the people that picked up the other pups had breeding in mind.
Look online at heartlandweimrescue or tri-stateweimrescue, there are ton's of weim's just in those 2 organizations not to mention all the other rescues (sorry for leaving all the others out but those were just the ones on the tip of my tounge). Please for the sake of the breed don't breed your dog, let the other dogs in rescue or shelters have a chance to find a new home instead of flooding the market with more pups.
This is my opinion but it's how I feel. Thanks for the open ears. |
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DanniGirl Champion Weim

Joined: 01 Mar 2007 Posts: 874 Location: Flagstaff, AZ
Fur Kids: FM Blue Weim- "Danni" |
Posted: Wed May 07, 2008 3:05 pm Post subject: Re: Breeding my Weim |
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| gailmetz wrote: | | From the moment I thought about getting one, I knew I would breed her, if she turned out to be the best representation of the breed. ...I feel Weim's are very much like the Arabian horse, down to the high tail set, and regal elegance. Anyway, they believed I should have rescued one instead of bought one. Don't get me wrong, I have adopted many dogs, cats, etc.in the past, however, this time I really had a plan...Was I wrong? Are there really so many unwanted Weim's out there? |
Arabian horses and weims are two totally different animals. It's like comparing apples to oranges.
What do you mean by "best"? -IMO, weims were originally bred to hunt...they weren't bred to look pretty in the ring.
(Proper conformation is extremely important to a working dog though...)
Here are some questions I would expect a reputable to answer:
Do you have titles on your girl, meaning have you PROVEN she's worthy of breeding? If so, what are they?
How is her health? OFA or Penn Hip certified? Is she thyroid normal?
What does her pedigree look like?
How is her temperament?
What are her weaknesses? What are her strong points? Who will be the stud and what are his weaknesses, etc...?
What are your plans for the future puppies? How is your litter (if you decide to have one) going to better the breed as a WHOLE?
It is a huge commitment and IMHO, if you haven't proven your girl you shouldn't breed her. She is a beautiful weim (I looked in your gallery) but there are SO many in shelters. |
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h20fwlkillr Champion Weim

Joined: 19 Dec 2006 Posts: 519 Location: Holden, Mo.
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Posted: Thu May 08, 2008 1:06 am Post subject: |
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| Rescue dogs are great for people who don't care about the excess baggage that can come w/ a them. ( temperament problems, disabilities,mental illnesses, ect) Or for people looking for a pet, not a working dog. |
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DanniGirl Champion Weim

Joined: 01 Mar 2007 Posts: 874 Location: Flagstaff, AZ
Fur Kids: FM Blue Weim- "Danni" |
Posted: Thu May 08, 2008 1:25 am Post subject: |
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| h20fwlkillr wrote: | | Or for people looking for a pet, not a working dog. |
Yes...I may have jumped the gun but I assumed she was breeding for show...not working... |
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Cathy Champion Weim

Joined: 14 Aug 2007 Posts: 844 Location: Pickerington, Ohio
Fur Kids: Marley-Moonshine, Weimaraner
Trance, Tuxedo Kitty
Echo and Pulse, Kitties |
Posted: Thu May 08, 2008 6:29 am Post subject: |
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I wanted to add:
Don't feel bad about anything. Not everyone gets a rescue, and they aren't right for some people. I honestly believe you have the best intentions.
Knowing what I do now, I would have rescued a dog instead of getting a puppy, but no one can make me feel bad about raising my baby.
I sincerely hope you reconsider breeding. We may come off harsh, but it's only because we love our dogs so much and don't want to see any more suffer. |
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Colleen74 Housebroken

Joined: 24 Apr 2008 Posts: 50
Fur Kids: Gertrude and Ethel |
Posted: Thu May 08, 2008 5:15 pm Post subject: |
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I don't necessarily feel it's *wrong* for people to want to breed their weims....so long as they are doing it for the right reasons and KNOW how to do it. I feel the absolute best way for people who want breed weims is to get involved in thier local club and hopefully find a mentor I hope to have the experience of breeding my girl in a few years, but it won't be completely up to me since she is co-owned with the woman who bred her. Until then, we'll be trying to get her titled and making sure she's worthy of passing on those genes. I'll be learning everything I can until that time.
Also, anyone who isn't prepared to make a very specific contract with puppy buyers stating that in the event they are no longer able to care for the dog (at any age) they need to return them to you / or if the breeder deems the buyer not caring for the dog properly they can reclaim the dog...should not be a breeder. When I bought Gertrude I had to jump through hoops for a couple of months before I was even invited to look at a litter....but I was happy to do it because that's the way it should be. In the event that I ever have a litter with Gertrude, I will be just as thorough with potential buyers. And they better like me...because I will want to keep an eye on those puppies throughout their lives  |
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h20fwlkillr Champion Weim

Joined: 19 Dec 2006 Posts: 519 Location: Holden, Mo.
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Posted: Fri May 09, 2008 1:31 am Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | Also, anyone who isn't prepared to make a very specific contract with puppy buyers stating that in the event they are no longer able to care for the dog (at any age) they need to return them to you / or if the breeder deems the buyer not caring for the dog properly they can reclaim the dog...should not be a breeder. |
I would NEVER buy a pup under contract. I made the purchase and the pup now belongs to me. It's like going to a car dealer and them saying if you don't change the oil on time or wax it when we think you should, we're taking the car back and keeping your money. I also would never co-own a dog. I screen potential owners quite well and would never consider a contract. I will take pups back that can't be cared for, but have never had to because of good placement. It is easy for people to percieve a good breeder or a bad one, but they really don't know. It takes more knowledge to really tell than can be read somewhere. In reality it takes a breeder to know a breeder so to speak. |
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Colleen74 Housebroken

Joined: 24 Apr 2008 Posts: 50
Fur Kids: Gertrude and Ethel |
Posted: Fri May 09, 2008 6:04 am Post subject: |
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Even the best buyers can have problems a couple years down the road from buying a puppy....like say having a kids. So many people get rid of their dogs for that reason alone...among other things. My point being that IF I were a breeder I would want those people to bring that dog back to ME not some shelter were they'll be posted on petfinder.
Comparing dogs and cars is a bit odd to me...if you kill your car buy not changing the oil thats you own fault...if you don't care for a dog by not feeding him (especially if it's a dog that I bred) I'd like to have a say in that dogs situation.
Co-owning a dog is your personal choice... It wouldn't make sense if your dog was just a pet. I'm having a very positive experience with it thus far.
And I thought contracts (especially among reputable breeders) were very common place these days.  |
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