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GrayGhost
Site Admin
Joined: 17 Apr 2005
Posts: 815
Fur Kids: Dorian - Weim - 75Lbs
Aristotle - Lab-X - 80Lbs
Mirabella - GSP - 45Lbs |
 Posted: Mon Jul 18, 2005 10:58 pm Post subject: Re: colouring of the breed |
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| barb wrote: | | We love them just the same, but it is interesting to find out what maybe going on! Barb |
I don't doubt that one bit. What their genes are doesn't make one bit of difference about how you feel about them. My Dorian came from a shelter and not a paper to his name. None of my current dogs do. 
In addition, to your dogs having the white spotting gene (S locus), it is apparent that they either have a ticking gene (T locus), or a roaning gene (R locus) too that probably shouldn’t be there.
Now, you are faced with some difficult decisions. You are in a position where your dogs are registered, but not pure-bred. As far as your current situation goes, you can and should still register them, but should really only do so with what is called a limited registration. This allows you to register them but prevents any offspring of the puppies from being able to be registered. Doing so is a great asset to the breed as a whole and helps the breed remain pure.
Of course I wouldn’t do anything too hasty until you verified the s locus theory with an expert on Weimaraner genetics. Even many breeders don’t really have a good understanding of this detailed genetic information. I really wish I knew who would be a good person for you to talk to.
I did however find an address for a PDF document at Penn State University that helps to explain some coat color genetics: http://animalscience.ag.utk.edu/dairy/pdf/pubs/nvbdc.dog.coat%20color.geneticsGenetics%20of%20Coat%20Color%20in%20Bird%20Dogs.pdf
BTW, my wife absolutely adores that little pup with white on it and said she would love to have one like that. LOL |
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RK
Adult Weim
Joined: 28 Jun 2005
Posts: 478
Location: portland, oregon
Fur Kids: schroeder max (aria's heart of gold); weim.
freddie honeychurch; part russian blue. |
| Posted: Tue Jul 19, 2005 12:06 am Post subject: Re: colouring of the breed |
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i was just going to say if schroeder didn't take everything i have, i would LOVE to have that puppy! he's going to be so unusual looking!
and i hate to sound snobby about breeding but i second the limited registration suggestion as well as really considering not breeding this pair again and making sure the puppies will be spayed/neutered. there are enough cross-bred dogs out there (who would make wonderful pets) in shelters and whatnot without contributing to the population unnecessarily. and weims are one of those breeds that really do need a lot of emotional and physical attention so they are definitely not for everyone. |
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GrayGhost
Site Admin
Joined: 17 Apr 2005
Posts: 815
Fur Kids: Dorian - Weim - 75Lbs
Aristotle - Lab-X - 80Lbs
Mirabella - GSP - 45Lbs |
| Posted: Wed Jul 20, 2005 2:52 am Post subject: Re: colouring of the breed |
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| Any updates Barb? |
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barb
Puppy
Joined: 14 Jul 2005
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| Posted: Wed Jul 20, 2005 3:02 pm Post subject: Re: colouring of the breed |
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| None so far-seems that the kennel has gone out of business. Fancy that eh! We are going camping and will be back next Tuesday. Have a good weekend everyone! Thanks again for all your advice and information-we feel a little more 'in the know' now. Barb |
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RK
Adult Weim
Joined: 28 Jun 2005
Posts: 478
Location: portland, oregon
Fur Kids: schroeder max (aria's heart of gold); weim.
freddie honeychurch; part russian blue. |
| Posted: Thu Aug 04, 2005 6:04 pm Post subject: Re: colouring of the breed |
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| barb, how are the pups and mom doing? can we see more pictures? they must be so big now! |
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emily
Champion Weim
Joined: 26 Jun 2005
Posts: 764
Location: Northeast
Fur Kids: Scout (Zalena's Captain Jack) |
| Posted: Thu Aug 04, 2005 7:46 pm Post subject: Re: colouring of the breed |
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| I haven't checked into this thread in awhile, but that puppy is so adorable. I would definitely love to see more puppy pictures!!!!!!! |
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BustaGirl
Champion Weim
Joined: 13 Jun 2005
Posts: 581
Location: WA, Australia
Fur Kids: BUSTA LOVENA
(Ghostwind HotPepperSauce)
Female Grey Weimaraner
CASH (donkey)
(Siverodhar Cold Cash)
Male Grey Long Hair Weimaraner |
| Posted: Thu Aug 04, 2005 7:50 pm Post subject: Re: colouring of the breed |
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| Yes please.......me too |
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anne
Wise Old Weim
Joined: 10 Aug 2005
Posts: 2618
Location: Los Angeles, California
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| Posted: Wed Aug 10, 2005 8:46 pm Post subject: Re: colouring of the breed |
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Interesting discussion. The pups appear to be from a mis-mating based on the roan and ticking. The pups also have piebald spotting, which is interesting as the mom is solid and the solid is usually dominant. But it makes me wonder if they've been crossbreeding in the past to shorhairs and these pups colorings were "throwbacks." Incidentally most Weims do carry the ticking which you can see on white spots.
Also just as a matter of interest, there have been documented cases of black Weims being produced by grays. That's black, not blue. Some of the old timers will remember this, and in fact they even pictured a litter in an old WCA magazine. 'Course many feel this is due to a mis-mating as well.
I'm new here by the way, and see that "grayghost" is the moderator. Would love to hear more about you. Thanks
Anne |
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GrayGhost
Site Admin
Joined: 17 Apr 2005
Posts: 815
Fur Kids: Dorian - Weim - 75Lbs
Aristotle - Lab-X - 80Lbs
Mirabella - GSP - 45Lbs |
| Posted: Wed Aug 10, 2005 10:32 pm Post subject: Re: colouring of the breed |
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| anne wrote: | | The pups also have piebald spotting, which is interesting as the mom is solid and the solid is usually dominant. |
You are correct; piebalding is recessive. It is located on the S Locus. So both parents would have to carry this for it to be expressed in one of the pups.
And Welcome to the site Anne.  |
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anne
Wise Old Weim
Joined: 10 Aug 2005
Posts: 2618
Location: Los Angeles, California
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| Posted: Thu Aug 11, 2005 12:25 pm Post subject: Re: colouring of the breed |
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Which is why I would suspect another cross back in the ped.
By the way GrayGhost, if you have any information on off-colored Weims I'm doing some research on it and would love to talk genetics with you.
Thanks for the welcome! |
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camismom
Adult Weim
Joined: 20 Jul 2005
Posts: 280
Location: Houston, Texas
Fur Kids: Cami and Runner |
| Posted: Fri Aug 12, 2005 1:22 pm Post subject: Re: colouring of the breed |
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That puppy is so cute!! Please Barb, upload some more pictures!! |
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monica
Puppy
Joined: 27 Aug 2005
Posts: 1
Location: Florida
Fur Kids: 5 yr old male rescue weim named Oden |
| Posted: Sat Aug 27, 2005 6:37 pm Post subject: Re: colouring of the breed |
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This is a very interesting topic for myself and my weim!!!! Oden is a rescued weim with skin/coat problems....It turns out that he has color dilution alopecia which is unheard of in weims because of their dd bb makeup, but occurs in dogs such as blue/fawn dobes, blue GD, and many other breeds with the other recessive combinations.
Anyhow, I have come to believe that my weim's family must have been crossed at some point....He is definitely a silver weimaraner but he does have dark toenails....I think that is the only trait along with the color dilution alopecia which could be caused by a mixed gene....Let me know what you think! |
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anne
Wise Old Weim
Joined: 10 Aug 2005
Posts: 2618
Location: Los Angeles, California
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| Posted: Sat Aug 27, 2005 6:57 pm Post subject: Re: colouring of the breed |
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Lots of Weims have dark toenails, mostly in field lines. It's pretty accepted that there was at least one cross breeding in fairly recent times...
As for CDA, I have been hearing of a few Weims diagnosed with this, mostly Gray Weims, but at least one Blue. I believe CDA is what prompted the myth that Blue Weims have skin problems, when they don't have any more skin problems than Grays. I also wonder if CDA is correctly diagnosed in some cases, but in any case, the CDA and dark toenails is highly likely to be unrelated. |
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