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CherrystoneWeims
Adult Weim
Joined: 22 Jul 2008
Posts: 307
Location: Johns Island, SC
Fur Kids: Ch Cherystone Perl of Sagenhaft MH,SDX,NRD,VX BROM
Ch Silversmith Ethan Allen JH,NSD BROM
Ch Cherrystone Clams Casino JH
Cherrystone Gone With the Wind JH,NSD
Cherrystone Inherit the Wind JH,NSD
ALL Weimaraners!! |
 Posted: Thu Oct 02, 2008 1:17 pm Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | Parvo and distemper are mostly a puppy disease anyway. |
I won't take the chance with my dogs. R. Katzen lost her Top 10 Weim bitch a couple of years ago when she contracted either Parvo or Distemper from a rescue that she was fostering.
| Quote: | | Bats are the biggest vectors of rabies, and most puppies are not in contact with them or even wild animals that might transmit them. There is just very little reason to give a puppy a rabies shot except for legal issues. |
In my area fox and raccoons are the biggest carriers. I have them coming into my yard on a nightly basis. My dogs have also killed raccoons.
I have a cousin living in Mass. whose dog got into a scrap with a rabid raccoon. Thank goodness the dog was up to date on his vaccines as he could have caught the disease. Both my cousin and her son's fiancee had to undergo rabies treatments because they handled the dog and the dog had blood from the raccoon on it.
| Quote: | | Vet offices are also a business, just like the pharmaceutical companies that lobby to push the vaccines that the vets gets paid to sell to you, on top of charging you!!!!! |
It's highly illegal for pharmaceutical companies to "pay" a vet to use their drugs. Drug companies did this in the old days before laws came into effect to stop this practice. Drug reps aren't even allowed to take clients out for dinner anymore. Those days are gone.
My husband has to deal with pharmaceutical companies on a daily basis. |
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anne
Wise Old Weim
Joined: 10 Aug 2005
Posts: 2618
Location: Los Angeles, California
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| Posted: Thu Oct 02, 2008 3:34 pm Post subject: |
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| CherrystoneWeims wrote: | | Quote: | | Parvo and distemper are mostly a puppy disease anyway. |
I won't take the chance with my dogs. R. Katzen lost her Top 10 Weim bitch a couple of years ago when she contracted either Parvo or Distemper from a rescue that she was fostering. |
I had a situation with a litter my dog sired. A 10 month old was shown and brought parvo home to the unvvacinated pups. They all survived. But that was definitely not good.
| CherrystoneWeims wrote: | In my area fox and raccoons are the biggest carriers. I have them coming into my yard on a nightly basis. My dogs have also killed raccoons.
I have a cousin living in Mass. whose dog got into a scrap with a rabid raccoon. Thank goodness the dog was up to date on his vaccines as he could have caught the disease. Both my cousin and her son's fiancee had to undergo rabies treatments because they handled the dog and the dog had blood from the raccoon on it. |
Nasty. In that case, I would give it earlier, especially as I know any one of my puppies would go after a raccoon.
| CherrystoneWeims wrote: | | Quote: | | Vet offices are also a business, just like the pharmaceutical companies that lobby to push the vaccines that the vets gets paid to sell to you, on top of charging you!!!!! |
It's highly illegal for pharmaceutical companies to "pay" a vet to use their drugs. Drug companies did this in the old days before laws came into effect to stop this practice. Drug reps aren't even allowed to take clients out for dinner anymore. Those days are gone.
My husband has to deal with pharmaceutical companies on a daily basis. |
There are other ways to influence though. I mean all I have to do is walk around campus and see the booths that some of the pharm companies set up. Or when they would donate for certain lectures on campus or fund some of our studies. Samples are another one.
But the issue isn't the pharm companies anyway, if the vet (or doctor) wants the best for the animal (or person) they won't be swayed by that stuff. |
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Luvweims
Puppy
Joined: 04 Aug 2008
Posts: 31
Location: West Virginia
Fur Kids: Mindy - Weim (rescue)
Hans - German Shepherd (rescue) |
| Posted: Thu Oct 02, 2008 7:03 pm Post subject: |
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| CherrystoneWeims wrote: | | Luvweims wrote: | I don't have my dogs around a lot of other dogs, we live in a rural setting and they only see other dogs at the vet's or an occasional trip to Petsmart or Tractor Supply.
Based on that, he recommended yearly vax on Parvo, since it can be airborne, on your shoes, or transmitted by cats: and distemper, which can be very difficult to treat.
And of course rabies. In WV, it is still an every 2 year requirement. The legislature is looking to make it a 3 year requirement. |
I don't think that you quite understand many of these diseases! You especially need to vaccinate your dogs due to the fact that you LIVE IN A RURAL AREA. You have raccoons, fox, coyotes, etc in your area. Those are all animals that carry Lepto which is a DEADLY disease for dogs. Dogs who contract it usually do NOT live! If a wild animal who is carrying it comes into your yard and urinates then your dog sniffs/licks that urine your dog will be exposed to it! Distemper and Rabies are also carried by these animals. |
According to the CDC website: "The clinical signs of leptospirosis vary and are nonspecific. Sometimes pets do not have any symptoms. Common clinical signs reported in dogs include fever, vomiting, abdominal pain, diarrhea, refusal to eat, severe weakness and depression, stiffness, severe muscle pain, or inability to have puppies. Generally younger animals are more seriously affected than older animals. "
"leptospirosis is treatable with antibiotics. If an animal is treated early, it may recover more rapidly and any organ damage may be less severe. "
And as already mentioned on this thread:"The vaccine does not provide 100% protection. This is because there are many strains (types) of leptospires, and the vaccine does not provide immunity against all strains." |
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JacksMommy
Champion Weim
Joined: 04 Mar 2008
Posts: 685
Location: Gages Lake, IL
Fur Kids: Jack ~ Weimaraner |
| Posted: Fri Oct 03, 2008 8:30 am Post subject: |
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| CherrystoneWeims wrote: |
| Quote: | | Vet offices are also a business, just like the pharmaceutical companies that lobby to push the vaccines that the vets gets paid to sell to you, on top of charging you!!!!! |
It's highly illegal for pharmaceutical companies to "pay" a vet to use their drugs. Drug companies did this in the old days before laws came into effect to stop this practice. Drug reps aren't even allowed to take clients out for dinner anymore. Those days are gone.
My husband has to deal with pharmaceutical companies on a daily basis. |
They aren't allowed to take anyone out for dinner or to games, but they are allowed to provide samples, pens, notepads, and lunch for the office. |
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CherrystoneWeims
Adult Weim
Joined: 22 Jul 2008
Posts: 307
Location: Johns Island, SC
Fur Kids: Ch Cherystone Perl of Sagenhaft MH,SDX,NRD,VX BROM
Ch Silversmith Ethan Allen JH,NSD BROM
Ch Cherrystone Clams Casino JH
Cherrystone Gone With the Wind JH,NSD
Cherrystone Inherit the Wind JH,NSD
ALL Weimaraners!! |
| Posted: Fri Oct 03, 2008 10:30 pm Post subject: |
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| Luvweims wrote: | According to the CDC website: "The clinical signs of leptospirosis vary and are nonspecific. Sometimes pets do not have any symptoms. Common clinical signs reported in dogs include fever, vomiting, abdominal pain, diarrhea, refusal to eat, severe weakness and depression, stiffness, severe muscle pain, or inability to have puppies. Generally younger animals are more seriously affected than older animals. "
"leptospirosis is treatable with antibiotics. If an animal is treated early, it may recover more rapidly and any organ damage may be less severe. "
And as already mentioned on this thread:"The vaccine does not provide 100% protection. This is because there are many strains (types) of leptospires, and the vaccine does not provide immunity against all strains." |
And therein lies the problem. "If an animal is treated early". How many of us have had a dog who is off of its feed, has diarrhea, and vomiting. It's the weekend, the owner tries the bland rice and boiled chicken diet. Symptoms are also nonspecific!
We've had quite a few dogs in my area DIE of Lepto. I've been asking area vets (As a breeder I know lots of the vets in the area) Cases are not all that uncommon in MI from what I have been told by fellow Weim breeders who live in that state. I've spoken to some vets in NC and they also state that cases are on the rise. Is this due to the fact that owners are not vaccinating their dogs??
From what I am being told dogs who are vaccinated have a much milder case or none at all when exposed to the disease.
BTW pens, notepads, etc are pretty meaningless to vets and physicians. My husband brings them home and they are thrown in the drawer and used for scratch pads with no notice taken as to what company it comes from. A physician who is worth his salt will use a drug if it is a good drug. In my husbands case it's usually some sort of laboratory equipment or lab test. He just want the best most accurate test for whatever he is looking for. |
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scrbear11
Adult Weim
Joined: 09 Jul 2008
Posts: 394
Fur Kids: "Zehen" 1/2/08 Weimaraner
"Zuna" 5/4/08 Rhodesian Ridgeback |
| Posted: Sat Oct 04, 2008 5:22 am Post subject: |
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| Pam- I agree with you 100%. I'm not too far from you- about 3 hours, and we have had lepto in our area. Our vet recommends people vaccinate against it if the dog goes outside at all. |
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CherrystoneWeims
Adult Weim
Joined: 22 Jul 2008
Posts: 307
Location: Johns Island, SC
Fur Kids: Ch Cherystone Perl of Sagenhaft MH,SDX,NRD,VX BROM
Ch Silversmith Ethan Allen JH,NSD BROM
Ch Cherrystone Clams Casino JH
Cherrystone Gone With the Wind JH,NSD
Cherrystone Inherit the Wind JH,NSD
ALL Weimaraners!! |
| Posted: Sat Oct 04, 2008 8:24 am Post subject: |
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Where are you located??
We have a GREAT Weim Club here in Charleston. People are very friendly, get along very well with each other, etc. We have a couple of events planned this month and a hunt test in Dec.
We work together in rescue, are very supportive of each other when one of our dogs does well (LOL in fact our dogs are pretty closely related to each other so it is like one big family), and we help each other train. |
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LunaBrown
Wise Old Weim
Joined: 21 Jul 2007
Posts: 1964
Location: Minneapolis, MN
Fur Kids: Luna, Weimaraner
Gunther (Foster), Weimaraner
Murphy, Kittycat
Paige, Kittycat |
| Posted: Sat Oct 11, 2008 10:14 am Post subject: |
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Well, we went to the vet this morning. Luna lost 1.5 pounds since we were there last, which is OK she's still at a very healthy 57.8# and the vet said she looked great. Everything went well... still clear of ear infections  but we need to watch her closely and clean once a week or more if we notice ickies.
For those interested, here's what we decided to do for the vaccinations... We did a Distemper booster, which will be good for 3 years, and we go back in 6 weeks for her Rabies shot which will also be good for 3 years... except for her rabies which is required by law, we are going to opt for the titer testing 3 years from now. The vet wanted to give her rabies shot today, but I told her I would prefer to keep them separate just in case something goes wrong, we would then know what did it... she was completely understanding. I really like our vet.
I'm feeling really good about it all... after we go back for the rabies shot, we will only have to go in yearly for an exam and heart worm test. I am SO happy to be at a point where Luna is all grown up and HEALTHY *knock on wood*  |
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