FCI Standard

BEANSnBERRY · Posted: Thu Aug 28, 2008 5:20 pm Post subject: FCI Standard

OK, I just looked up the FCI Standard and noticed several differences between it and the WCA's Standard.

This is intriguing to me.

How did the WCA come up with it's standard, and why would it differ?

Also, what are the pros and cons of using one over the other?

I like the FCI Standard, I feel that it's more definitive (less to interpret) and also makes sense. Also some "faults" or maybe less so "faults" as trends? I see rewarded in the ring are considered faults in the FCI standard.

Here it is if someone wants to see:
http://www.weim.net/twn/Standards/fci-standard.htm

Thoughts?

anne · Posted: Thu Aug 28, 2008 5:31 pm Post subject:

The reason many would rather go FCI standard is becuse that is the German standard, which of course is the mother country for Weims.

Several countries, the US, UK, Canada, have their own standards.

The WCA is the one that writes the breed standard for the AKC and the AKC approves it or not. There have been times when the AKC did not accept the WCA's change (and that included an early attempt to DQ the blues). The WCA could change the standard to be completely reflective of the FCI standard if the membership chose, except the standard would have to follow some AKC guidelines.

NOTE: The AKC WILL NOT ALLOW PERFORMANCE STANDARDs in the breed standards. This is why the Border Collie people resisted AKC acceptance of their breed for so long, but the AKC pretty much got their way on that one. (Interesting history on that one.)

The FCI does describe in its standard the way the Weim should hunt.

I agree there is less to interpret in the FCI standard. This could be good. On the other hand, the American standard is loose. This could be good. Smile

There are a lot of people in other countries that desire American dogs and win with those dogs in those countries. At some point, I think that the loose standard allows the breeders more freedom to do things to achieve that kind of greatness.

BEANSnBERRY · Posted: Mon Sep 01, 2008 10:16 pm Post subject:

Thanks Anne, that makes sense.

I'll have to think on this... I think it makes sense either way.

THANKS! Very Happy

SparkyTansy · Posted: Mon Sep 15, 2008 9:57 pm Post subject:

I find it interesting the differences between the AKC standards and the FCI standard. In Australia we follow the FCI but we have a great deal of American imports and lines and we do well with the American dogs.

I find that some AKC standards have a lot more detail than the FCI or UK standards. Not really the weim one so much, but i detest the standards that have marked differences in conformation, such as changing a standard to allow for a level bite when it has always strictly been a scissor bite. To me this makes it a lot more difficult for opening up the gene pool in other countries, as some countries will disqualify a level bite (for example).

versatilek9s · Posted: Mon Sep 15, 2008 10:21 pm Post subject:

Holy crap I just noticed how many dogs you have! You're my hero! Very Happy

Interesting about different countries having different faults and disqualifications. I'd never thought about that as a limiting factor of the gene pool. I guess b/c our standard is similar to the FCI one.

SparkyTansy · Posted: Mon Sep 15, 2008 11:08 pm Post subject:

oh yes, i agree the weim standard between countries is certainly not so bad... IMO conformation allowances which really alter movement or body shape really do not allow for much crossover between countries. Things such as a slightly sloping or level topline instead of a level topline, slightly angled pasterns instead of straight with round bone... IMO these can drastically change the appearance, movement and function of a dog built to cover long distances. This then in turn, allows even more segregation between breed types and ultimately leads towards a threat in a versatile genepool.

anyway... don't worry, as much as i love to be seen as a hero, not all the dogs are mine... the grey and the other weim are temporarily living with me. My 3 are the ones in my sig. Very Happy

versatilek9s · Posted: Mon Sep 15, 2008 11:22 pm Post subject:

SparkyTansy · Posted: Tue Sep 16, 2008 12:14 am Post subject:

yes, but i would be crazier if money and the councils would let me!!

BEANSnBERRY · Posted: Fri Sep 19, 2008 7:01 pm Post subject:

That's a great point I hadn't even considered ST. Thanks for pointing it out!!