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cm
Puppy
Joined: 28 Oct 2008
Posts: 6
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 Posted: Tue Oct 28, 2008 9:04 am Post subject: picking a show prospect |
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| Hi, I was wondering if anyone can tell me how to pick a show prospect out of a litter of pups and how young they can be to pick? |
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versatilek9s
Champion Weim
Joined: 27 May 2008
Posts: 925
Location: VA
Fur Kids: Maya, Sage & Macy--all weims |
| Posted: Tue Oct 28, 2008 9:32 am Post subject: |
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| Long discussion and the short andwer is that people do it different ways. Get the help of an experienced breeder (doesn't have to be your breed) and get them evaluated at 7 weeks. There is no sure bet, but getting hands-on experience is the best way to go! |
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Weimwayz
Adult Weim
Joined: 26 Jun 2008
Posts: 333
Location: Southern Ontario
Fur Kids: Ch. Stonepoint's Picture Perfect NSD "Faye"
Ch. Weatherrun Kelco Cutothchase CD 'Chase"
Stonepoint's Matrix Reloaded NRD "Trinity"
All Weimaraners!! |
| Posted: Tue Oct 28, 2008 12:00 pm Post subject: |
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You have to know what you have bred for in that particular litter. Temperment, performance, good old pet ect. We stack all our puppies at 7-8 weeks and we have 3 very experienced educated people come to help evaluate. One is a behaviouralist, one a long time breeder and the other someone educated in mor ethan 1 breed and of course us. We keep detailed records of how our pup shave developed each and everyone. Activity, temperment ect.
We place our puppies with the right owner. We don't let the owners pick their pup. We have found this to be a VERY successful way of placing pups and all our families have agreed we picked the perfect dog for them!!! We usually have the families tell us what they are hoping to do with their weim and then we match the puppy to that home. I wouldn't wan the quietest pup going to a home that will be shown or do some performance activites as that pup many not be cut out for that! Strcuture is VERY important for agility, hunting ect. He pupo must be strucuturally sound or it may cause skeletal issues down the road. Agility is very trying on the body for example
So lots to think about but it all comes down to what you have bred for. Only you know what you are looking for in your pups but I really rely on others professional opinions as well
Good luck!!!! |
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cm
Puppy
Joined: 28 Oct 2008
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| Posted: Tue Oct 28, 2008 4:21 pm Post subject: show prospect |
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| Thanks for the information! |
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SparkyTansy
Adult Weim
Joined: 07 May 2008
Posts: 287
Location: Australia
Fur Kids: Ariane - Weimaraner 13 months
Spartan - English Setter 6y
James - English Setter 2.5y
Currently living with us:
Sorrell - Weimaraner 4y
Jenny - Greyhound 10y |
| Posted: Wed Oct 29, 2008 12:49 am Post subject: |
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| for picking a show prospect I would get someone out who has not seen the litter and has experience with the breed (and experience assessing litters). between you and the independant party you will be able to pick out one with what you can see is the best conformation with the best temperament to match for the show ring... |
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PamK
Champion Weim
Joined: 22 Nov 2007
Posts: 906
Location: Texas
Fur Kids: Derek - Weim b-day 2/27/07
Ridley - weim/lab b-day 6/24/08
Gracie, Otis and Joey are the cats |
| Posted: Wed Oct 29, 2008 9:11 am Post subject: |
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And then there is also dumb luck. For various reasons I wanted an AKC registered dog, but I wasn't that interested in showing. I got a provisional registration until he was 6 months. At 6 months I had the handler of the person who I got the dog from look at the dog and she said to show him. We got the registration changed and he now has 11 points and we don't travel to show him. The dog the breeder kept only has 1 point.
I guess you really don't know at 8 weeks how they'll really grow up. |
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CherrystoneWeims
Adult Weim
Joined: 22 Jul 2008
Posts: 444
Location: Johns Island, SC
Fur Kids: Ch Cherystone Perl of Sagenhaft MH,SDX,NRD,VX BROM
Ch Silversmith Ethan Allen JH,NSD BROM
Ch Cherrystone Clams Casino JH
Cherrystone Gone With the Wind JH,NSD
Cherrystone Inherit the Wind JH,NSD
ALL Weimaraners!! |
| Posted: Wed Oct 29, 2008 11:34 am Post subject: |
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| PamK wrote: | And then there is also dumb luck. For various reasons I wanted an AKC registered dog, but I wasn't that interested in showing. I got a provisional registration until he was 6 months. At 6 months I had the handler of the person who I got the dog from look at the dog and she said to show him. We got the registration changed and he now has 11 points and we don't travel to show him. The dog the breeder kept only has 1 point.
I guess you really don't know at 8 weeks how they'll really grow up. |
That sounds like the story of my Ethan! We had a Weim before we moved to SC that we had to put down just before the move. He was given to us by a good breeder (both parents finished CH coming from Reiteralm). When we moved to SC I called the breeder and she recommended Ethan's breeder. Well I called her and she said she was getting out of breeding her husband had just passed away. So we waited (we had another dog). About a year or so later I saw an ad in the paper. No I wasn't going to buy from a BYB or mill but Rescues put ads in the paper where I live. I saw an ad for Weim pups and recognized the breeder's number! So I called her. I went to see the pups and met the dam. The breeder told me all about the parents (both were Top 10 show dogs) showed me hip certs, etc. I looked at the litter and really liked them. In particular the Green collar boy was the one that I liked the BEST. I was only looking for a pet mind you. The breeder told me that there was one puppy left but a guy in NC had first choice between the Green collar and the Blue collar boys. I would get which ever one was left. I told her that I really liked the Green collar boy and hoped that the guy would choose the Blue boy. Sure enough when it came time to pick up my puppy the Green collar boy was the one I got. There was just something about him that really struck me. He looked soooooo balanced conformationally. (I used to show horses before I was married)
He was on a Limited registration. As he grew and I watched him trotting in the yard and on the beach I saw SOMETHING there. This puppy just had IT. It's hard to describe. And coming from horses when I watched his movement HOLY COW!!!!! Tremendous reach and drive! And very clean movement. Soooooo when he was 5 mos. old I brought him with me to the shows that were held here. I found out when Weims were showing and in what ring. I figured that his breeder would be there and sure enough she was. Someone else came up to me and asked if he was a Grady x Gracie puppy. Yep. She had a pup from the first breeding and her daughter was the co-breeder of Ethan! She brought her daughter over to see him and they called the woman that I got him from originally. They both said that he needed his papers changed and was I willing to show him . LOL Call me competitive but I had somewhat hoped for this from the beginning.
Soooo began our journey! I retired him with many Best in Specialties, as the #2 Weimaraner in the US, an Award of Merit at Westminster, his winning the breed at the Houston KC shows (its a Eukanuba show) and being on TV. He's still well-known for his movement and he produces it in his puppies. Now he has kids who are Best in Show winners, multiple Best in Specialty winners, multiple Futurity/Maturity winners. He's made it so that I as a breeder have been able to produce a Maturity winner on my own. Got the double whammy and won both the sire and dam Pewter dogs for a Best in Maturity because I own both of them.
He's been my foundation for my kennel. Most people start with a female but I started with a male like Smokey City got its start.
My suggestion would be to learn more about conformation. Learn what is correct for a Weimaraner. Go to dog shows. Join a local Weim Club even though you don't have a dog yet. That goes a really long way to show a reputable breeder that you are serious about owning a Weim. One of my puppy buyers did that and it helped him to get on the right track for various events.It also really made me want to sell him a pup because I saw some dedication and there were people that I knew who could keep an eye on my pup. PamK knows him! |
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SparkyTansy
Adult Weim
Joined: 07 May 2008
Posts: 287
Location: Australia
Fur Kids: Ariane - Weimaraner 13 months
Spartan - English Setter 6y
James - English Setter 2.5y
Currently living with us:
Sorrell - Weimaraner 4y
Jenny - Greyhound 10y |
| Posted: Wed Oct 29, 2008 6:35 pm Post subject: |
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| That's a great story Pam! |
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BEANSnBERRY
Champion Weim
Joined: 16 Sep 2007
Posts: 551
Location: Western Washington State
Fur Kids: Weim: AKC/UKC Ch. Waltz To The Top v. Anson, "Logan"
JRT Mix: Nikki (honorary 12 pound weim, and accomplished gray butt-kicker) |
| Posted: Thu Oct 30, 2008 6:29 pm Post subject: |
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I agree with those who suggest going with a very reputable breeder (if you're not sure check with your local or with the National weim club to check to verify) and then helping them to pick the correct puppy for you.
With Logan it was dumb luck here, too! I didn't even get to see the litter (in person) prior to getting him.
Oddly enough, Pam, Logan was the green collared puppy in his litter, too!  |
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