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Ellinorianne
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 21, 2008 9:51 pm    Post subject: Non Weim Question - Fostering Reply with quote

So, I may be fostering a Doxie for a bit to help out a rescue. She's a sweet girl who is five.

I know this sounds silly but what do you do, introduce her to the house? Show her where to go potty etc? I know it's silly but what do you do with new fosters?

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weimdogmom
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 21, 2008 10:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Treat her like she is your own dog.

If she is already house trained, you may need to just figure out how she will let you know she needs to go out. Accidents would not be unusal, though, even if she is house trained. She may or may not need help with manners -- no begging, etc. A large part of fostering is getting them ready for their new home. You will get to know her and so help the rescue decide what a good forever home for her will be like. (Kids or not, lots of exercise or couch pup and such)

Thank you for fostering!!
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Ellinorianne
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 21, 2008 10:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

weimdogmom wrote:
Treat her like she is your own dog.

If she is already house trained, you may need to just figure out how she will let you know she needs to go out. Accidents would not be unusal, though, even if she is house trained. She may or may not need help with manners -- no begging, etc. A large part of fostering is getting them ready for their new home. You will get to know her and so help the rescue decide what a good forever home for her will be like. (Kids or not, lots of exercise or couch pup and such)

Thank you for fostering!!


I am a big believer in karma and I so miss having a dog, so I hope fostering will help with that and I'm helping a rescue. It could be a foster to adopt and the rescue group is aware of my history with sweet Sophie.

Here is Kona:

http://www.petfinder.com/petnote/displaypet.cgi?petid=10805123

She's black, which from what I learned, they are harder to place. She's been in foster care since May 1st and she was saved from a kill shelter. She's such a sweet girl too.
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weimdogmom
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 21, 2008 11:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

She's beautiful and does look like a very sweet girl.

Yes. For some reason, black dogs and black cats seem to have a much more difficult time getting adopted.

When will you start fostering Kona?
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Ellinorianne
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 21, 2008 11:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Probably some time this week. The woman who runs the rescue lives not far from us, just a couple of miles probably. She's so glad to have someone interested in Kona, she said she's perfect and can't quite get why she's not already with her forever home.

Their vet thinks she's about five years old, but I'm wondering if she's older, although I've also read that graying can start as early as two years and it's so much easier to see on black fur.

Charlotte and I are so very excited and we both just loved how sweet she was.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 22, 2008 5:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

i am a little confused though. didn't you give sophie away because having a dog with your illness was too much? what is the difference if you get a rescue dog? it might be even more difficult since the dog comes with a past.
just wondering...
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 22, 2008 6:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You'll need to set some boundaries - the whole idea with fostering (IMO) is that the dog needs to be cared for and socialized, etc, but NOT be treated like a family member. If she bonds to you, then she's adopted out, she's going to feel as though she being given up again. The greatness in doing this, is that when she finds her forever home that feeling will stay Very Happy ! ( It is MWR policy that fosters are NOT to be treated the same as the family dogs. They are to be fed in their crates, sleep in their crates, and taken outside for potty separately. Playtime is the only exception. It sounds kinda harsh, but if you really think about it, it makes perfect sense.)

It's great that you want to do this, but it will most likely be work - unfortunately, there is ususally quite a bit of baggage that comes along and you'll need to make a commitment to help work through it.
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weimdogmom
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 22, 2008 8:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's interesting, the different thoughts on fostering... The rescue here some other fosters that I know, they do treat the dog like a member of the family. They eat together (if possible), potty together, learn the house rules, are just treated like a member of the family. The only difference, though, is that 'usually' the foster might be crated at night and when there is no human supervision... at least until a little more is known about the dog.

But I can see what you are saying about the dog feeling like they are being given up again if they are treated the same as the family dogs. It may be harder on the dog when they are adopted going to another new home (and it certainly would be more difficult for the people who had been fostering).

Would this apply to dogs who become long term fosters... especially those with special needs and senior dogs?

It seems that there might be less "foster failure" if more rescues did recommend that the dogs not be treated like a member of the family. The foster family would still be sad to see them go...

Thank you for posting MWR policy on fostering. I do think there are some good ideas there.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 22, 2008 8:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

i too see some strange disconnect between giving away sophie then getting another dog. just because you miss and want a dog, doesnt mean you have the right environment for one.
my folks have a doxie. she is very sweet, but also a royal pain in the *bum* at times. they are very hard headed (perhaps more so than weims) and they also have a hunting drive (she caught a chipmunk at full run once).
I would think long and hard before jumping into another dog or a breed that has such a stubborn streak. I havent met a doxie that i didnt like, but i also havent met one that didnt think it owned the joint.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 22, 2008 8:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

i would definitely reconsider fostering. Its a huge commitment and whether a dog is big or small...a lot of foster dogs have many issues as well....no matter what they person who surrendered them say. When I fostered for the weim rescue in Illinois I was told the dog was crate trained, potty trained etc...I left him the first day and he bit a hole in his wire crate, got out and pooped EVERYWHERE in my house and than proceeded to run around the house spreading it everywhere. This happened several times for @ 2 weeks before the foster coordinator and I found a solution of an airline crate, with zip ties, and bungee cords to keep him from breaking free.

As rewarding and great as fostering is (I cant wait to be a position to do it again) it can be VERY stressful. Im just not sure if you just gave a dog up because it was too difficult and stressful with all that was going on that fostering a dog is really going to be fair to you or the dog.

Im not judging and Id usually just stay out of stuff like this but I was very surprised to read this post that you would be bringing in a foster dog after making such a big and very difficult decision that Sophie would be better off in another home. It all just seems very fresh and recent...and unless the illness and such that was the result of you adoptiing out sophie have resolved you really should reconsider this idea.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 22, 2008 9:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

weimdogmom wrote:
It's interesting, the different thoughts on fostering... The rescue here some other fosters that I know, they do treat the dog like a member of the family. They eat together (if possible), potty together, learn the house rules, are just treated like a member of the family. The only difference, though, is that 'usually' the foster might be crated at night and when there is no human supervision... at least until a little more is known about the dog.

But I can see what you are saying about the dog feeling like they are being given up again if they are treated the same as the family dogs. It may be harder on the dog when they are adopted going to another new home (and it certainly would be more difficult for the people who had been fostering).

Would this apply to dogs who become long term fosters... especially those with special needs and senior dogs?

It seems that there might be less "foster failure" if more rescues did recommend that the dogs not be treated like a member of the family. The foster family would still be sad to see them go...

Thank you for posting MWR policy on fostering. I do think there are some good ideas there.


I'm not sure about long term fosters or special needs. But I am certain that many volunteers do not follow the guidelines Wink . It's hard! We all have these big hearts for these poor neglected animals and want to just spoil them and give them everything they never had!

Anyway, back to the o/p, fostering can be very challenging. I fostered Bo for two months and it kills me to say it, but I'm being honest, it was an agonizing 2 months. He was extremely difficult in every aspect. We'd no longer get one issue under control and another would rear it's ugly head. I'm certain not all fostering experiences are this difficult, but you need to be prepared for the worst. And given the situation you were in with Sophie, I wouldn't recommend it.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 22, 2008 9:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

kamfam wrote:
I'm not sure about long term fosters or special needs. But I am certain that many volunteers do not follow the guidelines Wink . It's hard! We all have these big hearts for these poor neglected animals and want to just spoil them and give them everything they never had!

Anyway, back to the o/p, fostering can be very challenging. I fostered Bo for two months and it kills me to say it, but I'm being honest, it was an agonizing 2 months. He was extremely difficult in every aspect. We'd no longer get one issue under control and another would rear it's ugly head. I'm certain not all fostering experiences are this difficult, but you need to be prepared for the worst. And given the situation you were in with Sophie, I wouldn't recommend it.


I feel the same way about Sabriel, our current foster. We're working so hard on her crating issue... one day we think we're making progress, the next day we're back where we started... She is *so* much more work that I realized.... so much that once she is adopted we plan on taking a little break... I do not plan on giving up on her by any means, and am in no rush to get her placed, but I will not even be close to tears when she does leave.

As far as the way we treat her, we show her affection and expect her to obey the same rules as Luna... but we do not treat her anything like our own dog. She is not allowed on our bed at all - she sleeps in a crate at night. We did have to put the collapsible crate up in our bedroom though, since she started crying and barking in the middle of the night.
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weimdogmom
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 22, 2008 9:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oops... I guess I got this off track from the original question...

Maybe we should start a new thread about, say "Pros/cons of fostering"?
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Ellinorianne
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 22, 2008 10:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

luana80it wrote:
i am a little confused though. didn't you give sophie away because having a dog with your illness was too much? what is the difference if you get a rescue dog? it might be even more difficult since the dog comes with a past.
just wondering...


I was waiting for this. Sorry, I have to tell you, there is a difference between a five year old dog and a 9 month old weim. This is also temporary. I was very open about my situation with this woman, my health issues etc and she was clear that Kona is low maintenance and might be perfect for OUR home.

It was having Sophie, she was too much. And I don't think you can compare taking n a foster to going and buying a puppy. As painful as it is for me to say it, this was a *frack* up on our part and I really felt I made it right by getting her the perfect home, she's happy and her new family love her.

But it shouldn't mean I can never own a dog again.
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weim2mom
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 22, 2008 10:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ellinorianne wrote:


But it shouldn't mean I can never own a dog again.


I don't think that's what everyone is saying. From my point of view here, I just feel that it is too soon. I understand that there is a difference between a doxie and a weim, of course. But the same basics apply to caring for all dogs. Discipline, exercise, persistence... etc.

Sophie was too much to handle because of your health, but this dog is not? You still have to devote yourself to this dog. It might only be temporary, but that length of time is undecided and it's your responsibility to maintain the temperament and habits of this dog as he/she will be going to another person.
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