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seatofmypants Puppy

Joined: 16 Jul 2007 Posts: 14
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Posted: Mon Jul 16, 2007 5:49 pm Post subject: New Weim on the way! |
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Hey there all. I am sitting in English Class listening to a boring lecture and figured I would offer my first post. I have just recently purchased a house in PA. It has three acres, and a bird pen already on the property. I live three miles from a game farm that both hunts and trains dogs. Talk about heaven. The problem that I have found is that it is hard to find a Weim on the east coast that has good hunting instincts. I have turned my attention to a breeder in Montana that breeds for hunting instints and I really hope that it all works out. I have been reading on here a lot and doing a lot of additional research. I have a deposit on a blue male as soon as she has the litter that I am waiting on. I have read some comments on here about a long haired blue, the do exist and actually are very good looking. I am told that dogs that carry the LH gene are actually more resistant to allergies. The female that my pup is coming from is a blue LH and the male is blue as well. I just hope that they throw a male my way.
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anne Wise Old Weim

Joined: 10 Aug 2005 Posts: 2690 Location: Los Angeles, California
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Posted: Mon Jul 16, 2007 6:00 pm Post subject: |
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Well I know from what you are saying which breeder you are going to.......
If they breed for hutning instincts, have them PROVED that they are breeding for hunting instincts? Anyone can say that their dogs are good hunters, just like anyone can say that their dogs are good looking or have a great temperament or whatever.
Especially when you cannot see the dogs hunt yourself or you do not know the dogs in the pedigree, it's advisable to look at the titles, because a FC or MH or whatever gives you an idea that the parents have met a particular standard of work.
I actually know of a really exciting hunting litter coming up on the east coast, if you are interested let me know I'll pass the info on. The sire is a National FC and a DC and the dam is proven in the field as well.
Anne
PS - There is no proof that LHs are resistant to allergies. |
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anne Wise Old Weim

Joined: 10 Aug 2005 Posts: 2690 Location: Los Angeles, California
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Posted: Mon Jul 16, 2007 6:18 pm Post subject: |
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| Sorry, hope that doesn't come across too badly... |
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josie Young Weim

Joined: 03 Jun 2007 Posts: 184 Location: Sussex, England
Fur Kids: Slate (2.5 yo Weim female), Grey (6 mnth old Slovakian Rough Haired Pointer female) |
Posted: Tue Jul 17, 2007 2:06 am Post subject: |
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| I agree with Anne. Weims are one breed which have a bad reputation amongst hunting people because there are so many duds out there, which means it is extra important if you want one with good working instincts, to get one from a proven background of titles... |
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seatofmypants Puppy

Joined: 16 Jul 2007 Posts: 14
Fur Kids: None yet |
Posted: Tue Jul 17, 2007 6:15 am Post subject: hope |
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| anne wrote: | Well I know from what you are saying which breeder you are going to.......
If they breed for hutning instincts, have them PROVED that they are breeding for hunting instincts? Anyone can say that their dogs are good hunters, just like anyone can say that their dogs are good looking or have a great temperament or whatever.
Especially when you cannot see the dogs hunt yourself or you do not know the dogs in the pedigree, it's advisable to look at the titles, because a FC or MH or whatever gives you an idea that the parents have met a particular standard of work.
I actually know of a really exciting hunting litter coming up on the east coast, if you are interested let me know I'll pass the info on. The sire is a National FC and a DC and the dam is proven in the field as well.
Anne
PS - There is no proof that LHs are resistant to allergies. |
The pup is coming from PM Weims in Montana, everyone that I have spoken with highly recomends her. I have spoken with her several times at length about her breeding and targeting a pup with very good hunt drive. Although I am not looking for a dog that's sole purpose is hunting I would like one that is willing to work. I like the way that the blues look and it seems that she is conserned with furthering the breed and not just making a buck. I hope I am right, because the next 10 years are going to rely on her word! |
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josie Young Weim

Joined: 03 Jun 2007 Posts: 184 Location: Sussex, England
Fur Kids: Slate (2.5 yo Weim female), Grey (6 mnth old Slovakian Rough Haired Pointer female) |
Posted: Tue Jul 17, 2007 7:30 am Post subject: |
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| What titles do the sire and dam have? |
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anne Wise Old Weim

Joined: 10 Aug 2005 Posts: 2690 Location: Los Angeles, California
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Posted: Tue Jul 17, 2007 1:19 pm Post subject: |
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| Yes I knew you were talking about PM Weims..... |
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anne Wise Old Weim

Joined: 10 Aug 2005 Posts: 2690 Location: Los Angeles, California
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Posted: Tue Jul 17, 2007 1:34 pm Post subject: Re: hope |
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| seatofmypants wrote: | | I hope I am right, because the next 10 years are going to rely on her word! |
I hope you get a good puppy.
This is not to say anything in particular about this particular breeder, but buyer beware. Wish we were in times when you can trust someone's word. I would suggest getting referrals from local Weim clubs (none in Montana but you can go to a neighboring state Weim club). I can refer you to someone that does a lot of breeder referral and rescue in MT if you want to get more of an impartial referral rather than her own puppy buyer/clients.
You are right, this is a 10+ year investment. Wouldn't you rather see some titles on the parents (not 3, 5 generations back) rather than just someone's word? Be sure to get proof of any health checks as well. I don't see the dam come up on OFA's site.
They do have some titled dogs which they have purchased. Ask if they have finsihed any champions themselves.
Good luck to you.
Anne |
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DucksWild Champion Weim

Joined: 05 Jul 2005 Posts: 501 Location: Portland, OR
Fur Kids: Anja & Gracie, Weimaraners |
Posted: Tue Jul 17, 2007 3:10 pm Post subject: |
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Sorry to jump in here, but I thought it might be helpful for you to know how knowledgeable and committed Anne is to Blues. Not only does she have a Blue, but has also created a great resource website dedicated to them! Just thought you might like to know she isn't just an average Weim owner, is extremely dedicated to the breed, and quite accomplished as well! Of course I'd leave it up to her if she wishes to share more, but I think that helps when evaluating advice, at least for me.
http://www.blueweimaraner.com/ |
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seatofmypants Puppy

Joined: 16 Jul 2007 Posts: 14
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Posted: Tue Jul 17, 2007 3:20 pm Post subject: Re: hope |
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| anne wrote: | | seatofmypants wrote: | | I hope I am right, because the next 10 years are going to rely on her word! |
I hope you get a good puppy.
This is not to say anything in particular about this particular breeder, but buyer beware. Wish we were in times when you can trust someone's word. I would suggest getting referrals from local Weim clubs (none in Montana but you can go to a neighboring state Weim club). I can refer you to someone that does a lot of breeder referral and rescue in MT if you want to get more of an impartial referral rather than her own puppy buyer/clients.
You are right, this is a 10+ year investment. Wouldn't you rather see some titles on the parents (not 3, 5 generations back) rather than just someone's word? Be sure to get proof of any health checks as well. I don't see the dam come up on OFA's site.
They do have some titled dogs which they have purchased. Ask if they have finsihed any champions themselves.
Good luck to you.
Anne |
This morning I emailed her requesting some additional information. The dam's pedigree was up on the site, up untill this month don't know what happened. I did look today and it stated that the site was down. If you have the time shoot me that contact for breeder referral. And you had mentioned earlier that there was a litter on the east coast expected soon. I am somewhat committed at this point though, three months ago I did put a deposit down on the pup. |
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anne Wise Old Weim

Joined: 10 Aug 2005 Posts: 2690 Location: Los Angeles, California
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Posted: Tue Jul 17, 2007 4:02 pm Post subject: |
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http://weim.org/Coordinators%20List/Montana_Coordinator.htm
Contact Nancy Lane who does Weim rescue and also breeder referral in that area.
I'll private message you the info on that litter if you are interested. The sire is a National Field Champion, Dual Champion (show and field champion) and a National Amatuer Field Champion, named SAGA. His sire Schultz also a NFC FC was one of the greats in our breed, not to take anything away from Saga who has accomplished a LOT. The breeder is lookign to place pups in working homes and would be open to mentoring someone as well.
I'd imagine there are other litters out there as well, the DC Club is fairly active in the field. Also i can send you to some other breeders.
Oh, you can contact this person http://www.southpawweimaraners.com/ in Virginia, she may be able to refer you. Very nice person. Tell her that Anne sent you over. |
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anne Wise Old Weim

Joined: 10 Aug 2005 Posts: 2690 Location: Los Angeles, California
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Posted: Tue Jul 17, 2007 4:08 pm Post subject: |
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| DucksWild wrote: | Sorry to jump in here, but I thought it might be helpful for you to know how knowledgeable and committed Anne is to Blues. Not only does she have a Blue, but has also created a great resource website dedicated to them! Just thought you might like to know she isn't just an average Weim owner, is extremely dedicated to the breed, and quite accomplished as well! Of course I'd leave it up to her if she wishes to share more, but I think that helps when evaluating advice, at least for me.
http://www.blueweimaraner.com/ |
Thanks Erin!
Been in the breed for almost 10 years now. Own 1 of 12 living Dual Champions, have a blue that is titled in hunt tests, obedience and field pointed. Am the secretary and breeder referral for the Orange Coast Weim Club, am a member of the WCA and NAVHDA. Have held officer positions in my local NAVHDA club. Have put together lots of tests and trials and have worked on regional WCA events as well.
Am definitely committed to bettering the blues and that website is a labor of love! Unfortunately there are only TWO blue breeders that I recommend (neither have pups currently), Liz Fairlee in California http://www.fairhavens.com/weimaraners.htm that just bred to a CH Top Hat dog, and Leslie Nicole in France http://perlesdartemis.com/ whose most recent litter was sired by a NFC FC AFC Gus son. Oh, I guess three, since I will recommend myself LOL. I try and keep abreast of who is breeding blues but it's rather dismal unfortunately.
Anne
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DanniGirl Champion Weim

Joined: 01 Mar 2007 Posts: 872 Location: Flagstaff, AZ
Fur Kids: FM Blue Weim- "Danni" |
Posted: Wed Jul 18, 2007 12:53 am Post subject: |
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Am definitely committed to bettering the blues and that website is a labor of love! Unfortunately there are only TWO blue breeders that I recommend (neither have pups currently), Liz Fairlee in California http://www.fairhavens.com/weimaraners.htm that just bred to a CH Top Hat dog, and Leslie Nicole in France http://perlesdartemis.com/ whose most recent litter was sired by a NFC FC AFC Gus son. Oh, I guess three, since I will recommend myself LOL. I try and keep abreast of who is breeding blues but it's rather dismal unfortunately.
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Oh no...I hope there will be a few more litters from proven field blues in the future...
(Keeping my fingers crossed) |
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DanniGirl Champion Weim

Joined: 01 Mar 2007 Posts: 872 Location: Flagstaff, AZ
Fur Kids: FM Blue Weim- "Danni" |
Posted: Wed Jul 18, 2007 12:38 pm Post subject: |
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| (By future, I mean a few years...) |
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h20fwlkillr Champion Weim

Joined: 19 Dec 2006 Posts: 515 Location: Holden, Mo.
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Posted: Wed Jul 18, 2007 12:47 pm Post subject: |
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| There are plenty of good breeders of weims that don't run tests or trials. Check around at various guide services and preserves. Most breed their own dogs ( more and more are going to weims ) and their dogs must hunt well for them to make their money. Both of my dogs have come from guides in Ks. Both are strong hunters from parents that see more birds in one season than most dogs see in a lifetime. Neither however, have any titles in several generations in their pedigrees. Birds make a birddog, titles make a dog more marketable. |
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