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GailB
Wise Old Weim
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Location: New Brunswick,Canada
Fur Kids: Shadow 10 yr.old Black female labrador retriever. Hunter 4 yr. old weim
PostPosted: Fri Oct 03, 2008 4:20 pm    Post subject: NEW BYLAW...UNSURE Reply with quote

I haven't quite got all the particulars yet as we don't have a meeting till next week...from what I have been told in a brief conversation is......

How do you guys feel about this:...... No more docking of tails or cropping ears (obviously on dogs)....

Here's the part I am confused about...but still aloud to declaw cats... Confused

Would it not be all considered cosmetic whether it be dog or cat...is declawing not considered cosmetic Question
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weimdawgs
Wise Old Weim
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Joined: 08 Jun 2007
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Location: East Norriton, PA
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 03, 2008 4:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I always thought that the only reason to declaw a cat was to avoid damage to your property. I would never do it because it also eliminates their ability to protect themselves.
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yoko
Adult Weim
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Joined: 24 Jul 2008
Posts: 300
Location: Toronto, Ontario
Fur Kids: Yoko
8 months old - rescue via GLWR
PostPosted: Fri Oct 03, 2008 4:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Our yoko was from a rescue and came with a docked tail, but I would have preferred it intact. I'm not sure if there is a medical argument to support tail docking or ear pinning or whatever its called. If its cosmetic only I don't support it.

Declawing in my opinion is awful. Again its done for human convenience, and the animal doesn't benefit in any way, so why should this be allowed?

I'm sure you'll get lots of opinions on this one. Just like the circumcision debates you see on parenting boards.

I think docking is banned in some countries already.

Sue
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yoko
Adult Weim
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Location: Toronto, Ontario
Fur Kids: Yoko
8 months old - rescue via GLWR
PostPosted: Fri Oct 03, 2008 4:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Our yoko was from a rescue and came with a docked tail, but I would have preferred it intact. I'm not sure if there is a medical argument to support tail docking or ear pinning or whatever its called. If its cosmetic only I don't support it.

Declawing in my opinion is awful. Again its done for human convenience, and the animal doesn't benefit in any way, so why should this be allowed?

I'm sure you'll get lots of opinions on this one. Just like the circumcision debates you see on parenting boards.

I think docking is banned in some countries already.

Sue
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weimdawgs
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 03, 2008 7:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There are legitimate reasons for dew claw removal and tail docking in hunting dogs. Dew claws can get caught up in brush and cause painful injury. Weims have long thin whippy tails that can be easily injured in heavy brush. And if it is done correctly when the puppy is only a few days old, it's fine.
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LunaBrown
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Joined: 21 Jul 2007
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Location: Minneapolis, MN
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Murphy, Kittycat
Paige, Kittycat
PostPosted: Fri Oct 03, 2008 8:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

My two cents on declawing cats, from my personal experience.

When you get a very young kitten declawed they barely notice - I had a roomate who had her little kitty declawed and neutered at the same time - the next day when the little bugger came home from the vet you wouldn't have known he had had 2 major surgeries. On the flip side - getting it done to an adult cat is AWFUL. A few years ago hubby and I wanted to move out of our apartment in a bad getting worse neighborhood into a 'nice' apartment which required cats be declawed... There was no way we were going to give her up, so we had to have his adult cat declawed at 3 or 4 years of age and it was the worst thing ever. She was in pain for weeks... it was heart breaking Sob / cry I still regret having to put her through that... but what's done is done.

On a side note, we're pretty sure they threw a lobotomy in for free... Paige was kind of a bitch of a cat before the declaw and afterwords she turned into a lovey girl... it was so weird.

I adopted my kitty when he was 7 months old and he was already neutered and declawed so I did not have to make that choice.... Hubby and I will not ever have another cat after Paige & Murphy so we will not have to make the choice again...

Paige and Murphy are 100% INDOOR ONLY cats... they used to dart out the door, and for their own safety we had to figure out how to get them to quit doing that. I know it sounds horrible but we used the garden hose to teach them that going outside isn't fun... they don't even try to get outside any more. Wink
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Lily12481
Adult Weim
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Joined: 13 Nov 2007
Posts: 287
Location: Gilbert,AZ
Fur Kids: Goose (short for Gustav)- weim
Baby- cat
PostPosted: Fri Oct 03, 2008 11:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Goose (our first weim and first purebred) took some time to get used to since we've always had dogs with long whip-lash, knocking-stuff over tails, so it was cute to see such a wiggle butt but versus slappin' tail. I don't know too much about the docking process other than it being done a few days after the dog being born.

As for cats being declawed, I'm strongly against it. To cats, if they go to the bathroom in a litterbox, its like walking on shards of glass. I would never get my cat declawed. I trim his nails regularly (it used to be a pain, as it would take two people to hold him down to clip them).
Crazy that they would consider suddenly that they needed to change the rules...
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mtbazz
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Joined: 20 Sep 2008
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 04, 2008 6:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think if people were to stop and think they would realize that tail docking is not cruel. Quite the opposite IMO. I always thought it was a strange practice until I realized just how dangerous and painful an injury to the tail can be.
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GailB
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Location: New Brunswick,Canada
Fur Kids: Shadow 10 yr.old Black female labrador retriever. Hunter 4 yr. old weim
PostPosted: Sat Oct 04, 2008 7:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

weimdawgs wrote:
There are legitimate reasons for dew claw removal and tail docking in hunting dogs. Dew claws can get caught up in brush and cause painful injury. Weims have long thin whippy tails that can be easily injured in heavy brush. And if it is done correctly when the puppy is only a few days old, it's fine.


So true, of course the sillies once again that are trying to put this law in place don't mention a word about hunting dogs, just show ring dogs.. Evil or Very Mad

Sometimes I feel that the ones that are making up these laws to be passed know nothing about dogs...(sorry don't mean to insult anyone)....
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youhavenoidea
Wise Old Weim
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Joined: 27 Jan 2008
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Location: Simcoe, Ontario, Canada
Fur Kids: Slade - Weimaraner
PostPosted: Sun Oct 05, 2008 2:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

GailB wrote:
Sometimes I feel that the ones that are making up these laws to be passed know nothing about dogs...(sorry don't mean to insult anyone)....


That's exactly what happens. You really think things like BSL, dock / crop bans, mandatory spay / neuter legislation are thought up by people who know anything about dogs? Nope. They're thought up by organizations like PETA and politicians looking for a headline.
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cgmayeaux
Young Weim
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Joined: 20 Jan 2008
Posts: 197
Location: Hammond, La
Fur Kids: Bailey....Weimaraner
Dixie.....Cat
PostPosted: Sun Oct 05, 2008 2:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't know much about tail docking and dew claw removal, but my cat is declawed. I had to against my better judgement at 5 years old due to property damage. I did feel horrible, and she hurt for a few days....but I really had no choice.
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