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amazonstarlight
Wise Old Weim
Joined: 29 Jan 2008
Posts: 1762
Location: Oklahoma
Fur Kids: Sadie the Rottweiler/Chow mix, Asia and Bella the kitties. Scooter (Scooter Booter) 4 yr old Weim boy. |
 Posted: Sat Sep 20, 2008 7:39 pm Post subject: |
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I'm looking to see about switching my dogs off canidae because I feel like I'm always fighting for Scooter to not be too thin. I was looking at my choices here in town and came across Naturally Complete by Purina. Has anyone tried this? What do you think about the ingredients list? Here is the link.
http://www.longliveyourdog.com/products/NaturallyComplete.aspx
Also, I have this issue with the word "By-Product" listed after any meat product and "Bone Meal" listed anywhere on the bag. Is this bad to be concerned about these two ingredients? |
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allab
Housebroken
Joined: 29 Sep 2007
Posts: 67
Location: San Antonio,Texas
Fur Kids: Cooper & Bailey |
| Posted: Sat Sep 20, 2008 8:21 pm Post subject: |
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| amazonstarlight wrote: | I'm looking to see about switching my dogs off canidae because I feel like I'm always fighting for Scooter to not be too thin. I was looking at my choices here in town and came across Naturally Complete by Purina. Has anyone tried this? What do you think about the ingredients list? Here is the link.
http://www.longliveyourdog.com/products/NaturallyComplete.aspx
Also, I have this issue with the word "By-Product" listed after any meat product and "Bone Meal" listed anywhere on the bag. Is this bad to be concerned about these two ingredients? |
Here is a link to a web site,that might help you make a decision :
http://www.dogfoodproject.com/index.php?page=badingredients
And if I were you I would not switch from Canidae to Purina.
Just my 2 cents.. |
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amazonstarlight
Wise Old Weim
Joined: 29 Jan 2008
Posts: 1762
Location: Oklahoma
Fur Kids: Sadie the Rottweiler/Chow mix, Asia and Bella the kitties. Scooter (Scooter Booter) 4 yr old Weim boy. |
| Posted: Sat Sep 20, 2008 8:30 pm Post subject: |
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| allab wrote: | | amazonstarlight wrote: | I'm looking to see about switching my dogs off canidae because I feel like I'm always fighting for Scooter to not be too thin. I was looking at my choices here in town and came across Naturally Complete by Purina. Has anyone tried this? What do you think about the ingredients list? Here is the link.
http://www.longliveyourdog.com/products/NaturallyComplete.aspx
Also, I have this issue with the word "By-Product" listed after any meat product and "Bone Meal" listed anywhere on the bag. Is this bad to be concerned about these two ingredients? |
Here is a link to a web site,that might help you make a decision :
http://www.dogfoodproject.com/index.php?page=badingredients
And if I were you I would not switch from Canidae to Purina.
Just my 2 cents.. |
Thanks for the website. That helps clarify some of the ingredients. |
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SilverMist
Puppy
Joined: 20 Sep 2008
Posts: 34
Location: California
Fur Kids: Weimaraner. Misty RDX,SD, CGC |
| Posted: Sat Sep 20, 2008 8:39 pm Post subject: |
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I wouldn't use anything with by products. I too would not recommend switching from Canidae to Purina. Maybe try a grain free food. They have alot more calories per cup and much more meat protein and no grain fillers. If you decide on grain free make sure to make the switch very slowly especially in this transition. Grain free is nutrient dense and can cause GI upset if the dog isn't used to it.
Have you seen the vet about it to make sure no underlying issues are causing the weight issue. |
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amazonstarlight
Wise Old Weim
Joined: 29 Jan 2008
Posts: 1762
Location: Oklahoma
Fur Kids: Sadie the Rottweiler/Chow mix, Asia and Bella the kitties. Scooter (Scooter Booter) 4 yr old Weim boy. |
| Posted: Sat Sep 20, 2008 8:48 pm Post subject: |
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Have you seen the vet about it to make sure no underlying issues are causing the weight issue. |
Yes, I have. He's been fully vetted. He just runs a million miles an hour. I have him on Canidea All Life stages. Now, I know they have switched their formula around a bit, but I have had to buy a new bag yet. I feed him 2 1/2 cups twice a day, sometimes 6 cups total. But he seems to still be on the lighter side. If you look at him standing you can slightly see nearly all of his lower ribs, definitely more than just 3. He seems healthy all around though. Maybe he is just on a lighter side period. My vets don't seem too concerned about the weight he is at right now.
What type of food offers a grain free? |
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allab
Housebroken
Joined: 29 Sep 2007
Posts: 67
Location: San Antonio,Texas
Fur Kids: Cooper & Bailey |
| Posted: Sat Sep 20, 2008 9:20 pm Post subject: |
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| amazonstarlight wrote: | []
But he seems to still be on the lighter side. If you look at him standing you can slightly see nearly all of his lower ribs, definitely more than just 3. He seems healthy all around though. Maybe he is just on a lighter side period. My vets don't seem too concerned about the weight he is at right now.
What type of food offers a grain free? |
I am not a pro,but I have looked in your gallery and he looks perfect.If Iam not mistaken you are supposed to slightly see the ribs in this breed.
If he is very active you could increase his food.But like i said he looks good from what I could see in your pictures. |
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amazonstarlight
Wise Old Weim
Joined: 29 Jan 2008
Posts: 1762
Location: Oklahoma
Fur Kids: Sadie the Rottweiler/Chow mix, Asia and Bella the kitties. Scooter (Scooter Booter) 4 yr old Weim boy. |
| Posted: Sat Sep 20, 2008 9:28 pm Post subject: |
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Here are the most recent pictures that sort of show him well. I would say that you might be able to see a little more bone on him now. I'll try to get a better picture tomorrow in the light. I think I'm just always worried about him because he's not thick like Sadie. 
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allab
Housebroken
Joined: 29 Sep 2007
Posts: 67
Location: San Antonio,Texas
Fur Kids: Cooper & Bailey |
| Posted: Sat Sep 20, 2008 9:40 pm Post subject: |
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Maybe some one else can confirm,but he looks good to me,lean and healthy.
Maybe Sadie needs to loose a few pounds (he he he). |
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LunaBrown
Wise Old Weim
Joined: 21 Jul 2007
Posts: 2035
Location: Minneapolis, MN
Fur Kids: Luna, Weimaraner
Murphy, Kittycat
Paige, Kittycat |
| Posted: Sat Sep 20, 2008 10:13 pm Post subject: |
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Scooter looks like a lean healthy boy to me! If he isn't having trouble with his current food I wouldn't switch! You know the whole if it ain't broke don't fix it thing. I do know that Canidae is coming out with a Grain Free pretty soon here, they have it on their website now.
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SilverMist
Puppy
Joined: 20 Sep 2008
Posts: 34
Location: California
Fur Kids: Weimaraner. Misty RDX,SD, CGC |
| Posted: Sat Sep 20, 2008 11:26 pm Post subject: |
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| Looks great and lean to me. Here's what us Vet Techs look for in a dog that is perfect in weight. You want to be able to run your fingertips along his sides and slightly feel his ribs. Seeing them alittle is fine to us. We would rather have alittle thin that any fat. |
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amazonstarlight
Wise Old Weim
Joined: 29 Jan 2008
Posts: 1762
Location: Oklahoma
Fur Kids: Sadie the Rottweiler/Chow mix, Asia and Bella the kitties. Scooter (Scooter Booter) 4 yr old Weim boy. |
| Posted: Sat Sep 20, 2008 11:35 pm Post subject: |
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| SilverMist wrote: | | Looks great and lean to me. Here's what us Vet Techs look for in a dog that is perfect in weight. You want to be able to run your fingertips along his sides and slightly feel his ribs. Seeing them alittle is fine to us. We would rather have alittle thin that any fat. |
Thanks. I don't know why I worry so much about his weight. I so don't want my dogs to be overweight, but I don't want them to be lacking either. I think because when I adopted him he did have heartworms and was in poor shape. Ever since all his treatments I just want to make sure he is in tip top shape.
| allab wrote: | | Maybe Sadie needs to loose a few pounds (he he he). |
Sadie says she's not fat.  Heheh. Actually she's lost quite a bit and is now close to her perfect weight, rib-ier and all. She's just a thicker boned dog, little wider set. |
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SilverMist
Puppy
Joined: 20 Sep 2008
Posts: 34
Location: California
Fur Kids: Weimaraner. Misty RDX,SD, CGC |
| Posted: Wed Sep 24, 2008 12:46 am Post subject: |
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| amazonstarlight wrote: | | SilverMist wrote: | | Looks great and lean to me. Here's what us Vet Techs look for in a dog that is perfect in weight. You want to be able to run your fingertips along his sides and slightly feel his ribs. Seeing them alittle is fine to us. We would rather have alittle thin that any fat. |
Thanks. I don't know why I worry so much about his weight. I so don't want my dogs to be overweight, but I don't want them to be lacking either. I think because when I adopted him he did have heartworms and was in poor shape. Ever since all his treatments I just want to make sure he is in tip top shape.
| allab wrote: | | Maybe Sadie needs to loose a few pounds (he he he). |
He looks great. I wouldn't change anything. Its scary when your baby has had heartworms. As long as you use preventative and have regular HWT I wouldn't worry about him being alittle thin.
Sadie says she's not fat. Heheh. Actually she's lost quite a bit and is now close to her perfect weight, rib-ier and all. She's just a thicker boned dog, little wider set. |
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BigJake
Young Weim
Joined: 14 Aug 2008
Posts: 111
Location: South Charleston, WV
Fur Kids: Loki is my Weim
Charlotte my Staffordshire Bull Terrier(pit)/Rott mix
KC my American Staffordshire Terrier(pit)/Black Lab mix
Bear is Brandy's Black Lab mix. |
| Posted: Tue Sep 30, 2008 3:32 pm Post subject: |
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| h20fwlkillr wrote: | | This is a link to a pdf file containing the results of a study the FDA did to test for cat and dog dna in pet food. It starts on page 8. In a nut shell, none was found. The test can only cover amounts as low as 7 lbs per 500 tons, so it is possible some companion animals had been rendered, but doubtful. http://www.fda.gov/cvm/Documents/JanFeb04Vet.pdf |
Did you not read what the vet tech posted!?!?!?!
you hear it from someone that was there when it happened or you can get your info from someone that does not want you to know because it would call for almost an entire industry to chance their ways. |
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BigJake
Young Weim
Joined: 14 Aug 2008
Posts: 111
Location: South Charleston, WV
Fur Kids: Loki is my Weim
Charlotte my Staffordshire Bull Terrier(pit)/Rott mix
KC my American Staffordshire Terrier(pit)/Black Lab mix
Bear is Brandy's Black Lab mix. |
| Posted: Tue Sep 30, 2008 3:55 pm Post subject: |
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| krisnkaipo wrote: | | I am an ex vet tech, but hardly disgruntled and would qualify as a PETA person. Quite proud of those affiliations. I have read the aforementioned article and thank you for the reference; however, based on this study of 31 bags of dog food I will not change my opinion or my choice. As the article mentions several times and concludes with saying the study "provide evidence against the presumption that euthanized pets are routinely rendered and used in pet food." It is hardly something started by a disgruntled vet tech or PETA person. In addition, there was nothing in the article that demonstrated companion animal food could not contain other dead companion animals or horses for that matter, which I did think was illegal, guess not. Again, this is a choice. |
I think that being a "PETA person" means that you have to get rid of your dog. Don't they stand for getting rid of all pet ownership? |
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h20fwlkillr
Adult Weim
Joined: 19 Dec 2006
Posts: 489
Location: Holden, Mo.
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| Posted: Wed Oct 01, 2008 12:44 am Post subject: |
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| BigJake wrote: | | h20fwlkillr wrote: | | This is a link to a pdf file containing the results of a study the FDA did to test for cat and dog dna in pet food. It starts on page 8. In a nut shell, none was found. The test can only cover amounts as low as 7 lbs per 500 tons, so it is possible some companion animals had been rendered, but doubtful. http://www.fda.gov/cvm/Documents/JanFeb04Vet.pdf |
Did you not read what the vet tech posted!?!?!?!
you hear it from someone that was there when it happened or you can get your info from someone that does not want you to know because it would call for almost an entire industry to chance their ways. |
Yes, I did read what was posted. Not all rendering plants produce feed components. Actually quite a lot is used for fertilizer. It is very likely, judging by the tests the FDA did, that companion animals that do get rendered are used as fertilizer. Even if they are used in food, it really makes no difference to the dog. It is just another source of protein. People may have problems with it, but I guarantee the dog won't care. BTW, I seriously doubt the FDA is in a big conspiracy with rendering plants to cover things up. |
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