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Imaweimlover
Young Weim
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Joined: 13 Oct 2007
Posts: 153
Location: Pensacola, FL
Fur Kids: Georgia, weimaraner-female
Charlie, lilac point siamese-male
PostPosted: Fri Nov 28, 2008 7:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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She has been pulling so much and I'm afraid I'm going to wipe out if she pulls me on ice or slippery leaves.


This happened to me a few weeks ago... and I was using the prong collar! Embarassed Georgia will still pull with the prong but NOTHING like she does on her regular collar. I stepped up on a wet, slimy green sidewalk and my feet slipped right out in front of me. Luckily I didn't really hurt myself and Georgia was right there checking me out to be sure I was alright. It was a wake-up call that this 50 year old body needs to be more careful... I was sore for a couple of days after.
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massweimy
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Location: Boston
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 28, 2008 8:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Once he reestablish a territory he should be better. Try walking around the same block expanding bit by bit to expand that worked with me for a few of my male dogs and some of my more territorial females I have had in my life.
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hoochmamas
Wise Old Weim
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Joined: 15 Nov 2007
Posts: 1471
Location: new jersey
Fur Kids: a nonfur kid named kadin. he was 9 in august. 2 domestic cats.. hotto is 12, kendall (AKA benz) is 6.. hooch macalli monster is our weim, born 11-11-07.. mostly known as "Hooch", the late Boo.. weim
PostPosted: Sat Nov 29, 2008 7:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

massweimy wrote:
Once he reestablish a territory he should be better. Try walking around the same block expanding bit by bit to expand that worked with me for a few of my male dogs and some of my more territorial females I have had in my life.


that's what i have been doing.. the same block, and if he is doing good, one or 2 more.. 3x a day.. and one wimpy romp of frisbee daily.. but he is used to a lot more exercise than that. i was thinking of taking him back to the old neighborhood to train.. but don't know if that would just confuse him more.

he also has been favoring his back leg for almost 10 days now.. that is the main reason for the limitation of walks/play. once i think it has improved and do more activity, he's not putting pressure on that leg again the next day..think he may be visiting his vet next week.. Crying or Very sad seems worse in the morning and at night.. giving him arnica, and half a deramaxx if it is really bad.. trying to rest him as much as i can.. but that is a different thread..

as far as obedience training goes.. he is a truly well behaved weim pup.. i am so proud of him, i work very hard with him.. i have devoted much of my time/energy into molding a great dog.. this is the last thing.. like i said.. in the old house, he was doing really good.. unless the mailman was around, with the pulling.. i believe the new territory is the issue.. not hooch being disobedient.
how do you keep the rings to the side of his neck when he does walk out in front or sniff something? you just never allow him out of a heel?
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DukesMom
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Joined: 23 Dec 2007
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Location: California
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 29, 2008 10:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I let my dogs out of heel all the time and they have learned to just walk on a loose leash that way. If another dog is coming or something than I call them to heel/sit beside me until the dog has passed. I've been encouraging my dogs to socialize with other/strange dogs. (after I ask the owner of the other dog if it's ok of course) I have been doing major socialization with my two and that has done wonders. We have been camping ALOT and there are lots and lots of strange dogs. We can pretty much take them any where around anyone and any other dogs now. Duke can get a little funny with male dogs but that's about it. To me the prong just helps me have control, it does not train the dogs to mind. Now remember that my dogs have been on the Prong since they were 6/7 months old. I rarely have to use correction any more and they just behave with no pulling. If there is a cat or squirrel or something than I will have to use it, but other than that there is no correcting, no pulling etc. You would think I could easily just go back to the flat collar, but I am insecure and don't feel I have total control with it AND Duke is known for backing out of it.
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massweimy
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 29, 2008 1:17 pm    Post subject: Pent up energy Reply with quote

That sounds like pent up energy and frustration then. My girl was like that when she had a limp last summer(chased a squirrel into a branch pile) once she was able to do normal routine everything fell back into place. Does he put any weight on the leg?

I also feel like dukesmom mine slipped her flat collar and a gentle leader when she was 4 months and ran into a busy street I pulled a superman and saved her but I got tapped by the car poor couple had a 6'4" guy and a puppy sitting on their hood they didn't see her she was so small and her coloring. I was fine but I have always been a bit hesitant to not use a prong after that due to cats/squirrels etc.

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how do you keep the rings to the side of his neck when he does walk out in front or sniff something? you just never allow him out of a heel?


Take out another link it should stay where it should be then.

Here is a link with pics.

http://leerburg.com/fit-prong.htm

and another

http://www.ehow.com/how_2210735_use-prong-collar.html
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hoochmamas
Wise Old Weim
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Location: new jersey
Fur Kids: a nonfur kid named kadin. he was 9 in august. 2 domestic cats.. hotto is 12, kendall (AKA benz) is 6.. hooch macalli monster is our weim, born 11-11-07.. mostly known as "Hooch", the late Boo.. weim
PostPosted: Sun Nov 30, 2008 7:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

when he is medicated, he walks almost normal.. when he isn't, he "tip toes" on that back left leg..

no walks/romps saturday or sunday, maybe even monday.. rest and meds..
if it isn't better by tuesday, i'm afraid i'll have to take him in. i am almost 100% positive it is a sprain.. nothing to do but rest it.. but in that slight chance that it isn't.. i suppose his vet should give him a once over..

the new house has hard wood floors.. he's not used to it, so he has been slipping and falling all over the place.. he is not the most graceful weim.. takes after his mama Laughing Laughing
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Imaweimlover
Young Weim
Young Weim


Joined: 13 Oct 2007
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Location: Pensacola, FL
Fur Kids: Georgia, weimaraner-female
Charlie, lilac point siamese-male
PostPosted: Sun Nov 30, 2008 8:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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how do you keep the rings to the side of his neck when he does walk out in front or sniff something? you just never allow him out of a heel?

After reviewing the instructions for proper placement of the prong collar I see I've not been using it properly. I took out a couple of links and had it right behind Georgia's ears with the rings to the right, just like the picture. As soon as we started walking the collar slipped down her neck and the rings were moving left and right depending on where she was sniffing. There's no way I can tighten it any more. I guess this slippage happens? I'm going to try the easy walker harness one more time with some more adjusting to see if I can get it to not rub.
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CherrystoneWeims
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 01, 2008 12:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm not understanding how you have so many rings on your prong collar. Mine only has a chain with one swivel ring at the top to clip the lead to.

http://www.jjdog.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Product_Code=P615&Category_Code=2CATPinchCollarsPINC&Product_Count=1

You don't clip the lead to both rings One lays flat on the dog's neck. I recommend the small size and adding more links to fit it.

You may need someone who is experienced with prong collars to help you.
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hoochmamas
Wise Old Weim
Wise Old Weim


Joined: 15 Nov 2007
Posts: 1471
Location: new jersey
Fur Kids: a nonfur kid named kadin. he was 9 in august. 2 domestic cats.. hotto is 12, kendall (AKA benz) is 6.. hooch macalli monster is our weim, born 11-11-07.. mostly known as "Hooch", the late Boo.. weim
PostPosted: Mon Dec 01, 2008 6:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

CherrystoneWeims wrote:
I'm not understanding how you have so many rings on your prong collar. Mine only has a chain with one swivel ring at the top to clip the lead to.

http://www.jjdog.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Product_Code=P615&Category_Code=2CATPinchCollarsPINC&Product_Count=1

You don't clip the lead to both rings One lays flat on the dog's neck. I recommend the small size and adding more links to fit it.


yes.. the leerberg site recommends attaching the leash to BOTH rings on the chain so there is less room before a correction. i was just curious what everyone else did.. i got the medium one, and removed 3 links.. i watched videos and did research before putting it on my baby.. no worries, my friend.
someday i will walk him again.. maybe today if he seems okay..
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ritsap
Puppy
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Joined: 14 Jul 2008
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Location: Erie, PA
Fur Kids: Matilda "Tilly" - Weim
PostPosted: Mon Dec 01, 2008 7:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

When I started to use the prong my trainer started with the leash through both rings. She called this "dead ring," meaning the correction is lessened. If connected to one ring called "live ring," this means a heightened correction. We eventually had to move to one ring (live) because she still pulled, but we are now on two rings (dead) and rubber tips to reduce the correction more.

Of note, I would caution anyone who has a dog who figures things out. Tilly had her collar on for two weeks before she learned to scratch and unhook the prong. She is now very good at getting that darn thing off all by herself! I have learned to use a safety catch, so our leash is attached to both the prong and her flat collar, just in case!
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DukesMom
Wise Old Weim
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Joined: 23 Dec 2007
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Location: California
Fur Kids: Duke - Weim
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 01, 2008 10:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've only used the one ring. That is probably why Hooch isn't responding well. I would say with these dogs two rings is probably not going to do much. Try the one ring but realize you won't have tto correct very hard and let us know. (After Hooch gets to feeling better that is)
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hoochmamas
Wise Old Weim
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Joined: 15 Nov 2007
Posts: 1471
Location: new jersey
Fur Kids: a nonfur kid named kadin. he was 9 in august. 2 domestic cats.. hotto is 12, kendall (AKA benz) is 6.. hooch macalli monster is our weim, born 11-11-07.. mostly known as "Hooch", the late Boo.. weim
PostPosted: Tue Dec 02, 2008 6:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

so yesterday, cass came along for the first time with the prong on..
Hooch decides to poop on some woman's lawn.. (he rarely does this)..she comes out waving her arms and yelling, hooch starts spinning circles.. with a piece of poop stuck.. cass is trying to get it with her bagged hand, and talk to the woman, i am spinning with hooch so the collar doesn't correct him for no reason..
wow..
not fun at all..
but totally funny.. Laughing Laughing Laughing
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