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Postby anne » Tue Dec 11, 2007 5:09 pm

richandtiff wrote:I don't understand what is apri registered? I thought they were supposed to be AKC?


AKC is not the only registry around. FDBS is well regarded and older than AKC, for instance.

However there are a lot of "pseudo" registries around.

It's scary when the APRI website says it's for the "professional pet industry."

This is a good site which explains:
http://www.wonderpuppy.net/kc.htm

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So, if all a registry does is record information, why are there so many? What's the difference?

Some registries are stricter than others as to what dogs they will register, and some promote the welfare of dogs better than others. Some registries seem out for a fast buck from ignorant puppy buyers and breeders. They will register dogs for breeders who have been suspended from other registries (usually for record keeping violations), or will register dogs that other registries won't. Some breeders work with multiple registries, and even charge differently for pups depending on which registry the pup is recorded with. There is no honest reason for this that I can think of. These lesser quality registries are sometimes referred to as paper mills for puppy mills.

At the very least, you should be able to expect that a registered dog is the breed he's supposed to be, and of the parents and ancestors he's supposed to be. Unfortunately, this isn't always true, and the information can be inaccurate or misleading if the breeder is not responsible. For instance, there have been enough problems with inaccurate or falsified pedigrees that the AKC now requires DNA testing on some dogs. United Kennel Club has been promoting DNA testing for several years. But all registries will still usually just take a breeder's word that a pedigree is accurate, and this sometimes leads to inaccurate or fraudulent papers on a dog. Good registries will take action for inaccurate records, such as fines or suspension.

Some registries will allow the registration of designer mutts, sometimes called "new rare breeds", for breeding purposes. Puppy buyers are sometimes fooled into paying pay hundreds of dollars for a "registered" mutt. Being a registered mutt does not make a dog any different from a similar one sitting in a shelter, and it certainly does not turn a mutt into a purebred. Any registration can often cause the price of a mutt to skyrocket, when the paper it's printed on may only be worth using for housebreaking.

The better kennel clubs have gone beyond their original recording function, and will also provide means to show and trial dogs, promote education, health, and the general welfare of dogs. I strongly feel that some dog registries are not in the best interest of the dogs involved. They often make it much easier for irresponsible breeders to sell their puppies. This leads to thousands of dogs being killed annually in shelters, or suffering from preventable genetic problems. None are saints, but some kennel clubs are worse than others. Puppy millers and other irresponsible or ignorant breeders count on registration as a selling point. Even the AKC makes millions from registering these puppies. (My own dogs are registered with AMBOR, United Kennel Club, and AKC, all are limited registrations for trialing purposes only, not for breeding). Irresponsible breeders take full advantage of the public perception that registration means more than it really does. Only the public's education can change this.

Buyer Beware!
Soon, you may start seeing more dogs from registries other than AKC in pet stores. I know the Missouri and Oklahoma commercial dog breeder's association members are unhappy now that AKC's got stricter rules, and is requiring a DNA profile in stud dogs that produce 7 or more litters in a lifetime. Many of these breeders are breaking away from AKC and now registering their pups (often found for sale in pet shops nationwide) with other, less restrictive, registries. Regardless of where you get your pup, if your pup is registered with anything other than AKC or United Kennel Club, the chances of your pup being bred by an irresponsible breeder rises dramatically. It's up to you, the potential puppy buyer, to educate yourself and to avoid being part of the puppy mill/ backyard breeder problem. Do not put your money into the pockets of irresponsible breeders under any circumstances. The only thing they'll feel is getting hit in the wallet.

You can do much of your homework on the internet. If a kennel club is not on the internet (those are few), you can usually at least find an address on the internet and write them for information. Avoid any kennel club on which you can't get any information at all.

Please be aware of what you are really getting when you buy a registered dog. As you can see, registration often means nothing or worse. But if a pup is backed up by a good pedigree, health screened parents, and a caring, honest, and responsible breeder who takes pride in the pups he produces, then you can also take pride in what your dog's papers represent!
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Postby LunaBrown » Tue Dec 11, 2007 5:12 pm

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Sign me right up!!!
I won't, hubby squashed that thought. I feel like I have the baby itch!


Oh yeah me too! We already decided new puppy in 2009, but I still look at rescues and try and con him into one!
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Postby Beth » Tue Dec 11, 2007 5:21 pm

Rescues won't work with me due to the small children!
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Postby anne » Tue Dec 11, 2007 5:22 pm

You need to live by a breeder! I would have loved to have you close when I was getting sick of the little monsters. LOL
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Postby weimdawgs » Tue Dec 11, 2007 5:22 pm

Beth wrote:Rescues won't work with me due to the small children!


If you ever want to rescue a weim, I will work with you.
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Postby anne » Tue Dec 11, 2007 5:25 pm

Ta da! Lynn to the rescue! No pun intended.
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Postby Beth » Tue Dec 11, 2007 5:28 pm

I will have to wait, at least until next year. I wouldn't buy based on looks, I ask a million questions (I have kids welfare at stake). I would just love to know how she planned on doing that?
Also, she said
"They'll be seven weeks, but you won't do anything I won't do in that last week"

"the dad lives in the barn because he marks all over the house, but he comes in during the day everyday" (WT*)
Is this normal??? How does anyone keep an intact male and female? That would make me INSANE

Anyhow, I may end up with a 3mo that will be going to the rescue if they dont' find someone for him (silver, byb, not offering any cash, just taking him off their hands)
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Postby Beth » Tue Dec 11, 2007 5:29 pm

Lynn,
I would love to,
Male, good with dogs, good with kids, and won't eat the cat (at least not on my rug :lol: )
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Postby weimdawgs » Tue Dec 11, 2007 5:32 pm

I'll keep that in mind...any age?? We get some wonderful older dogs (4 and up).
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Postby Beth » Tue Dec 11, 2007 5:37 pm

As long as they are good with SMALL children, age is not a factor for me. Goliath is still playful and Daisy is 4mo, so if he can handle it, he's in like flynn
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Postby kamfam » Tue Dec 11, 2007 5:49 pm

Beth wrote:I won't, hubby squashed that thought. I feel like I have the baby itch!


Bad "baby itch" all last summer. Now I have Kam, my big beautiful blue boy :soppy: !!!
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Postby anne » Tue Dec 11, 2007 6:52 pm

Beth wrote:I will have to wait, at least until next year. I wouldn't buy based on looks, I ask a million questions (I have kids welfare at stake). I would just love to know how she planned on doing that?)


You got me. Anyone with 3 day old puppies is just going to choose one and that's it. New owner's bad luck if it doesn't fit their home and lifestyle....

Beth wrote:How does anyone keep an intact male and female? That would make me INSANE


It is a PIA. Usually I send Riley to his breeders.
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Postby anne » Tue Dec 11, 2007 6:53 pm

Beth wrote:As long as they are good with SMALL children, age is not a factor for me. Goliath is still playful and Daisy is 4mo, so if he can handle it, he's in like flynn


I'm still looking for older pups for you. It might take a while, but breeders do get puppies back for legitimate reasons that are well trained etc. The cat thing throws a small wrench into it, but I'll keep my eyes and ears open.
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Postby jamie8dc » Tue Dec 11, 2007 7:06 pm

I'd wait. There will always be litters of adorable blue pups being born, and one day there will be one born when you're in a better position to get one, even if that just means monetarily.

But I'm just a little kid so what do I know. :roll:
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Postby Beth » Tue Dec 11, 2007 7:08 pm

Coming from the kid who uses pee stains for the rustic look!!! You're right RJ, wisdom knows no age!
Anyhow, hubby is telling me to buy an Iphone instead of another puppy, LOL.... He is one silly man
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