Trene wrote:I know Iris, and you're fiesty'r than me.
Dang Renee, I threw away that stuff on Sky a long time ago... thinking it didn't do me any good.

Stormy's AKC registerable though (even though his momma was a mongrel) hahaha....

I love my dogs!

hahahahahahaha, well I carry my nick name Bitch with pride, hahahahaha
I guess I need to register June but I do not have any papers on her at all since she came from a TN shelter...

CherrystoneWeims wrote:
Renee,

I am curious as to how this would work if you want to have your own breed of dogs. You would only be able to breed Blues to Blues to have the breed in order for it to be a "Purebred whatever you are going to call them". All of the breeders that are in the BWCA are breeding their Blues to Greys so they are not going to be purebred Blues. AKC will want many generations of only Blues bred to each other and only Blues produced generation after generation in order for them to be recognized.

I know that you were looking to breed your Roxie to a Grey dog........

We realize that we will have to breed true eventually, but we don't feel that the quality is there yet therefore our stud books will remain open for a while while we continue to improve upon the quality of the breed. There are only a few blue breeders breeding quaity conformation as well as field dogs and we can't just keep breeding to each other. Rome wasn't built in a day and neither will this new breed. It's going to take time and dedication.

Yes, the breeder is looking to breed Roxie to a gray only because she wants to improve on Roxie's qualities and she hasn't found a blue that will create a step forward in her line. If there was an outstanding blue male with both conformation and hunting skills, she would consider it, but at this point in time, that's hard to find.

Trene wrote:Dang Renee, I threw away that stuff on Sky a long time ago... thinking it didn't do me any good.

You can probably get the info on Sky from your breeder.

I never thought about that aspect of getting the blues recognized as a seperate breed. It would be hard to find enough quality blues right now to only breed to other blues. Interesting.

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Yes, it is being worked on. As a founding member and member of the Board of Director WCA, we are working very hard on this topic. But we can't do it alone. We need you blue owners to register your dogs with the BWCA registry (its free). A new breed can't be created out of thin air, we need you. Also, creating a new breed takes time and money not to mention years responsible breeding to improve. We are in it for the long haul, will you join us for the journey?

If you have ANY questions about what we are doing and why, now is the time to ask.[/quote]

I have a question????

I dont know much about AKC standards razor is my first Purebred... Why cant blue weims be a weim ???? I could be very off in my thinking but how are labs purbreds.... there is black.brown and blonds.... why cant there be blue silver and gray weims??? is it because u have a breed it with a blue to get a blue ??? Like I said i know little about AKC all I know is razor is a purbred and has papers which mean nothing really cuz I cant breed him he was fixed... but anyways I just dont get it ...

And why would it be a different breed? so it wont be a weim at all once they accept the blue in the AKC??? Thats a bit stupid ... If I am understanding right .... I might not... what would they be called..???

I love blues!!!!!!!!!!!

Thanks !!!!!!!
<3 Janine/Razor

Janine,

While I can't speak expertly about other breeds, I believe they accept the black, chocolate and yellow colors as part of their breed standard. However, they DO NOT accept the "silver" or "Charcoal" colors. They all compete in the show ring together as if they were all the same color. One color wins the breed and goes to the Sporting Group ring. Whereas some breeds, such as Cocker Spaniels have accepted different colors as a variety where each color competes seperately and goes into the Sporting Group seperately. These color variations need to be accepted by the parent club in order for them to be accepted by AKC. WCA does not accept the blue coat color at all therefore if a blue showed up in the show ring, it would immediately be disqualified. AKC is not allowing varieties anymore since the Cocker people went overboard with it. Even if they were, WCA would need to approve it and unfortunately, they won't. Therefore the only way for blues to stand on their own, is to separate into their own breed and request acceptance.

Even if/when a new breed is created (it takes a long time to create a new breed) your Weim will still be a Weim with AKC. It just may be called something else with another Kennel Club such as UKC. For example, the Pit Bill and Am Staff are the same dog, but with different names with AKC/UKC.

At this time, we have not come up with a new name for the new breed. Got a suggestion?

Renee!

Thanks I get it... That so LAME... lol there new name should be Bluaraner

too much drama...

Megan,
In Weimaraner's, the blue gene is dominant so if the dog carries the gene at all, it will be blue. Gray dogs cannot carry the blue gene otherwise, they would have been blue. Anne can explain this in more detail but that's the simple genetic explanation.

It's a myth that you aren's supposed to breed two blues together. Weimaraner's aren't like other breeds where some colors carry genetic defects such as skin or other health issues and where breeding the two together can exacerbate the issues.

Blue Weimaraner's are not "rare". They should never be represented as "rare". What is "rare" are reputable breeders.

If blue Weimaraners are to ever have equal "rights" as other dogs, then they "need" a new breed. WCA will never remove the DQ. We tried. There just aren't enough blue Weim owners and lovers in the WCA to vote on it.

iris wrote:Treene, I will see on FB honey, and don't you worry, If I had seen this thread before and I would have sounded very uncotrollable, You all know me, right Lynn???!!!
I love my blue baby girl and I consider her just as much a weim as my sweet boy. ReeneV I am so glad you were able to see the thread on time.

Love you, Iris!!!!!

We are on FB. Come be a fan!

http://www.facebook.com/pages/Weimarane ... all&ref=ts

To everyone:

I also want to say, use some tact and don't make it personal when discussing things on the site. There is nothing wrong about discussing blues or anything else to do with Weimaraners on this site. But before posting, think about what you are saying and how it makes people feel. And on the other side of that, try not to wear your heart on your sleeve. There is nothing wrong with a healthy discussion as long as everyone tries to stay objective.

iris wrote:

Trene wrote:I know Iris, and you're fiesty'r than me.
Dang Renee, I threw away that stuff on Sky a long time ago... thinking it didn't do me any good.

Stormy's AKC registerable though (even though his momma was a mongrel) hahaha....

I love my dogs!

hahahahahahaha, well I carry my nick name Bitch with pride, hahahahaha
I guess I need to register June but I do not have any papers on her at all since she came from a TN shelter...

I would love to register Schatze, but like Iris, I have no papers on her as she was a rescue that was picked up as a stray.